Fasting Space

I would like to share with you today
a vision of a health care system that is based on fasting.

And to me,
I'll tell you, as somebody who's just like a little bit

dialed in and fasting,
you know, have a fasting YouTube channel

running a fasting clinic in Wisconsin,

fasting a researcher historically.

Okay.

I've been dialed in on it, and very excited about fasting.

This is something I'm really excited to share.

And very much look forward
to hearing your feedback on this, vision.

Okay.

When I talk about being excited about fasting,
here's the line, that I always try to draw.

I think it's great to be excited about things
when we're talking about the health care system.

I don't know what your experiences as someone maybe
have you interacted with it?

I'll tell you, as someone who worked inside of the mainstream

medical system for quite a long time,

it is a little bit of a discouraging place.

Sometimes it's like the cost
and the insurance and the politics and the things I say.

You know what we need?

We need a positive, inspiring, exciting

vision of a health care system that is focused on health.

We want health and flourishing, want things

that, bring life and vitality, things that are free

and accessible that almost anybody can do that needs it.

Right.

That's a fasting process
getting to the root cause of metabolic problems.

Okay.

To actually solve problems
so that we can experience health in our being.

This is the positive vision that would be so exciting.

So we're going to move toward it.

Now the thing that is on the other line of that is hype, okay.

And even in a fasting space, intermittent

fasting people say, oh, is there hype around it?

And people have leaned into it in a way that, to me,
makes it sound like

it is just an easy street, right to the solution

and all you got to do is, is this is easy.

Okay? What I say is simple.

I call this channel simple fasting.

Don't call it easy fasting
because okay, when we're talking about

getting to the core of our metabolism,

core of our being,
it's ends up being the core of our emotional state.

When we're talking about our relationship with food.

Okay, that is really serious.

That is a deep and fundamental space.

And so, this channel I want no hype,

I want excitement, positive vision without hype.

Okay.

And the way we're going to do that today and you tell me,

if we accomplish it is the vision, amazingly,

the vision that I'm going to give you today,
I think look at this.

It comes right out of the New England
Journal of Medicine, right?

Here is this article right out of the preeminent,

medical journal in the United States.

This article, intermittent fasting,

Effects of Intermittent Fasting, Unhealthy Aging and Disease.

This article was published in 2019,

and I'm going to use it as a foundation.

The the researchers,
the people who publish this, you know, have the vision.

We're going to we're going to see it and,

and then use it to, enrich

our thinking and understanding on this topic.

Okay, let's dive in.

I put, these quotes

right here are just out of the introduction of this paper.

So listen to how they are framing this, okay.

Fasting elicits evolutionarily conserved

adaptive cellular responses like

so I just like when I was reading this, I couldn't believe
when I was reading it the first time because I'd been dialing

in, you know, by 2019, 4 or 5 years,

I've been seeing incredible health emerge
from periods of fasting.

And then this comes out in the New England Journal.

I'm like, look at this.

This is where I want to sync in with our space here right now.

Evolutionarily conserved.

Okay.

A big perspective that I have.

Okay.

To the extent that fasting or so-called intermittent fasting

is out in society now, people have said, oh, is it a fad?

Is there hype?

Okay, in a way, I'm not going to argue with it.

I mean, it kind of is a fad.

It got trendy for it in certain circles, okay.

And that's because there is efficacy in it.

People who have been looking for something that works,
that is not so much of a struggle.

This is the line we're trying to go.

Not saying that fasting is easy, but it can become easy.

Some people find it easier than others.

A thoughtful health care system would have processes in place
to help, as many people find

as much benefit from as many different practices as possible,
so that everyone can flow toward health.

When we don't have that
and someone finds something to be excited

about, it, it's so easy to criticize.

Something is hype, but is it actually excitement?

And there's a line, okay.

When you.

But I think even that whole wave, even to the extent
that there's just genuine excitement that is positive,

I think it's missed the truly profound nature of
what is happening, what we're encountering in this space

and what people actually, for literally

thousands of years, have known about a fasting space,

that it can be a healing space, that rejuvenation is present.

And so we've been talking about that on a channel going back,

even just in our brief experience in the United States,
we've had pockets in the 60s,

in that early 20th century,
people having great efficacy of using this.

And we can dive that all the way back
through human recorded history.

And now we are seeing here,
do you get evolutionarily conserved.

We're seeing not just back all the way through human history.

We're seeing going back through like mammals, right.

And diving deep into the history.

Really what we're talking about
is foundational metabolic properties of life.

Okay. Evolutionarily conserved.

This is what I'm trying to show you in the biggest space.

Like do you want
if you want to build a health care system on something

truly solid on a foundation, like how about an evolutionarily

conserved mechanism at the core of the metabolism

that can lead to health and flourishing and life?

Okay, this is what I'm talking big vision.

Fasting elicits evolutionarily conserved
adaptive cellular responses

that are integrated between and within organs in a manner
that improves glucose regulation,

increases stress resistance and suppresses inflammation.

Okay.

Like well all right.

We did the talk my favorite talk like last fall.

And fasting and suppressing inflammation.

Incredible process.

During fasting cells activate pathways

that enhance intrinsic defense against oxidative,
oxidative and metabolic stress

and those that remove and repair damage molecules
and cutoff the G effect.

This is the cellular cleansing and recycling
that is like clear when you look at the physiology.

The body wants this to be running.

Like what kind of machine? Right?

A human body, not really a machine,
but maybe we can think of it that way.

Like what kind of machine
do you build in an entire maintenance cycle

so that it can clean itself and repair it
so that it can always function, and then you never turn it on?

You know what I mean?

Like, would that make any sense?
It just doesn't make any sense.

Like we have the entire

cellular architecture,
every cell in the body has these pathways of damage

repair and metabolic optimization, like, like,
could we start there?

Do you see what I'm saying?

If we're looking for fundamental places,
you know, what the health care system

having a rough patch,
everything extremely expensive people burned out.

And all of this.

And most people who are interacting with it,
not even getting healthier, like

like if we're getting a reset things
and we're looking for a principle of health

to reimagine things, why not start here?

You know what I mean? I'm just saying, why not?

They get the very foundational level

to say every cell in our body has ways to repair itself,

get rid of toxic and broken things and remake them new.

Like T we start starting there.

Everything, almost everything else in medicine
and our experience in medicine is downstream of this.

I say it's a very good place to start.

It just feels so good.

Okay, they go on in this paper.

During the feeding period, I like to say
during the eating period, because we feed, we feed mice, okay?

People eat it during our eating period.

You can think cells engage in tissue
specific processes of growth and plasticity.

However, most people consume three meals a day, plus snacks,
so intermittent fasting doesn't occur.

There's no fasting space.

Fasting space the most profound metabolic space in the body.

That's why I call this session here for us, fasting space.

Because the fasting space is totally profound, right?

And we need it.

We need fasting space
to run the maintenance processes of the body.

Okay,
but preclinical studies and stick with me on the channel.

Many clinical studies, till we dive into the clinical studies

consistently show with a robust disease
modifying efficacy of intermittent

fasting in animal models on a wide range of chronic disorders,

including obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancers,

neurodegenerative brain diseases.

Okay, they go through
I'm not going to run through this whole study with you.

They go through all of these different conditions

and then just going through the research in the
the state of things, a review article.

So they're just going through like look at the state
of research and these things like across domains.

Sometimes I've listened to people say it's like,
oh, is is fasting the hype because.

When somebody is presenting this as a panacea, right.

They're saying, oh, it's good for this and it's good for that.

It's good for that.

Okay.

Now I understand that there's a lot of charlatans
and snake oil out in medicine.

People trying to sell things. Okay.

But like, let's just look at this space.

You're going to sell fasting. You're going to bottle it up.

You know, it's not something you can sell like
that is what is so awesome about it.

Like let's just like relook at what is actually happening.

We're talking about physiology in the body.

Like we have bodily systems.

Every cell in the body runs
autophagy pathways triggered by fasting.

That just makes sense when you look at the body,

see that there would be benefits to it.

Like all over in the body,
like what bodily system would not benefit

from running the maintenance protocols
that help it to be healthy?

Like if our goal in health care is to create total

health and wellness,
to have human flourishing on the highest level possible,

where the greatest number of people experiencing
the greatest amount of wellness,

for the least amount of money, right, is like,
why not start here?

You see what I'm saying?

Where it's like,
because it has its hands everywhere in the body.

Like, what part of our body does the metabolism not touch?

Is it the metabolism is the body.

The metabolism is the core process of everything in the body

running, participating, communicating, and.

This is why this is a foundation
that is stable enough to start

to build a health experience off of within the health system.

Okay, we can have a big vision.

That's today,
we can have our own, health process that we build.

That's of course, why I really wanted to bring
we want every person, listening for myself.

I'm reminding myself. Right.

Hey, health starts at home.

Health starts here.

We don't need. I tell you that.

What's exciting about this to me? We don't need legislation.

We don't need politics.

We don't need anything other than just people to say,
you know, what matters to me is my own health.

I'm going to build my own foundation.

We just remake the whole thing ourselves.

Very decentralized, no cost, just health,
you know what I mean?

Periodic flipping of the metabolic switch okay

I love that this, this article
when I you know I put it simple fasting.com.

Have you been there.

You see my article three step weight loss plan.

My favorite article I've got the interactive switch.

You can flip it back and forth between fad and fasting state.

Really try to get it into the mindset
how the body is working that

that as soon as we eat
we flip in the food mode, boom, we're there.

But like we have to open up space to process
through that food use.

That energy takes 12 hours or so to flip back in.

Okay, this paper back in 2019 is when I got the idea

to make the little switch because they're just teaching us,
you know, wonderful researchers.

How does the body actually work?

Periodic flipping of that metabolic switch
not only provides the ketones that are necessary

to fuel cells during the fasting period, okay,
that's taking our body fat,

turning it into the type of fuel
our body can use, giving us the energy back.

Right.

We gave the energy to the body.

Flip the switch, let the body give it back.

It also elicits highly orchestrated systemic

and cellular responses that carry over into the fed state

to bolster mental and physical performance
as well as disease resistance.

And so this is what I talk so much about on the channel,

that there is a flow between all of this fasting

leading into eating, eating choices,
moving into our mental health, our mental health,

flowing into our exercise and our exercise, supporting

our fasting ability is all connected,
like with one being and all these different avenues

that we get at it flowing into the same space,
which is health and wellness.

I tell you, fasting just sitting right at the core of it.

That's what it is showing here.

That metabolic switch.

Gotta start flipping it.

Get up, start building a culture and systems
that help support it

so as many people can do it as possible, we get this effect.

So important.

So look at what this is showing here.

We're seeing in the center of this here
the metabolic switching.

Right.

This is showing us fed state fasting state.

You see an exercise flowing into that space.

Periods of intermittent fasting. Here's here's what it says.

Under it I just read for you periods of dietary energy

with restriction sufficient
to cause depletion of liver glycogen stores.

And it's like we've said that.

Right.

Liver's keeping a little bonus for us,
maybe 4 or 500 calories tucked away in there.

Power that keep our blood sugar up.

If, the meal isn't coming right away. Okay.

But then we use through that triggers
the metabolic switch toward use of fatty acids and ketones.

Cells in organ systems adapt to this bioenergetics challenge

by activating signal pathways
that bolster mitochondrial function, stress resistance,

and accident defenses, while up regulating autophagy,

remove damaged molecules, recycle their components.

During the period of energy restriction cells

adopt a stress resistance mode

through reduction in insulin
signaling and overall protein synthesis.

Exercise enhances these effects on fasting

and recovery from fasting, which is eating and sleeping.

Then the glucose levels go up, ketones
go back down, cells going through growth again.

Other remodeling.

They shape it
here. Tissue remodeling, things interacting right.

We're building this system back in a refreshed state.

Maintenance of an intermittent fasting regimen, particularly
when combined with regular exercise.

So important to stay strong.

Results in many long term adaptations that improve mental
and physical performance and disease resistance.

I just love that this is here.

Any medical providers watching right.

You want to you want to start diving in.

Go to the journal okay.

And just read through this paper.

Look at the long term adaptations. This is what we're want.

Improving our insulin sensitivity and heart rate variability
and our lipid metabolism

and the gut microbiome, reducing abdominal fat

and inflammation and improving blood pressure. Right.

Just like I tell you, this is what I see.

I've been following people for over a decade
as they leaning into fasting.

And it's like, this is what I see.

And then the thing that we don't see in here
is just people feeling better as they lean into it,

more energy and saying, hey, this is something
I can stick with, which is probably the thing

that is the most encouraging because like the
the terrible cycle that we have so many people in

is like of dieting,
which is not sustainable, where people always feel restricted

and then say, I'm not really pleasant,

and they say I'm looking for the next diet and the next night
and we buy the next book, and it's like the next thing.

And the thing that is the most encouraging to me
about a fasting space, the reason that I think

and believe sincerely that it is strong enough
to form the foundation

of an entire health care system,
is because it can at least come to be.

For most people who practice it and are supported in
it can come to feel good and pleasant,

and it solves so many problems in that people

are amazingly the least hungry when we're not eating.

Most people find it's like when we keep eating, it
drives hunger.

So there's no patterns like the the ghrelin levels is

like can be up
all the time, is like we think we're eating all the time.

All of a sudden you get into a regimen
where it's like the body now understands,

you know, we just eat at this time
and we can actually shut this down, that we open up.

Spaces are paradoxically, amazingly inverted,

that the fasting space is what decreases hunger, helps
bring things into balance.

Doesn't our whole society right now, can't you feel it?

Don't we just need some balance that we need to bring things

down to a very, very basic, fundamental level

where we say, okay, we are all human beings here.

We all want to be healthy, want health for ourselves,
our families, our kids, everybody.

Okay? And we can have discussions, right?

Which is extremely important
about eating healthy food and keeping toxic food out.

All the processed stuff. We got to do it.

But take that process to its ultimate conclusion.

How do you keep all the processed foods out?

You know, starting at a baseline? That's the fasting space.

We keeping everything out here.

We are not getting in the body
in the way of the body in any way.

Yeah, that's like opening up the space for the garden to grow.

Give it the conditions.

The space can't be choked out by weeds,
can't be covered by that giant tree shade trees.

Right. We got to clear out the space.

That's the autophagy space
going to be running the healing space opening up.

This is how we get to really root
level problems in the health care system in society.

Right.

Is opening up the space completely free?

Nothing required, no consumption required, no cost.

Start solving the root problems out of the cycle.

Problem pill. Problem pill. Problem pill.

Okay, there's a place for it.

Like we said yesterday, the miracle of antibiotics.

You have an infection. Oh, my gosh.

Like miracle of science and technology
that we can have something that does that.

Okay. But how about an even bigger miracle?

Like if we can use that word in a scientific context

to have such a powerful space of metabolic health
that the body is flourishing, that the immune system

is revitalized, that it's it's fighting in its
most abnormal state, that you never got sick to start with.

Okay, this is we want as much as possible,
people are going to get sick.

Look, we are in many ways small, frail people.

Fragile was one way to look at it.

We come and go, okay.

The other way we want to look at to it down
into the most strength that we possibly can as a human being.

We are strong, capable, powerful.

This is the type of process, a fasting space
that leans into that side of it, that actually there is

fundamental power in the human system, and we can unleash it

in many ways to promote the most health as possible.

And you say it's not, it's not like, oh, the panacea.

Like you just do a little bit of fasting.

You're never going to get sick again.

See, I'm not saying anything like that.

I'm saying this is a tool in the toolkit of health.

It might be one of the most powerful tools that we have
and has been completely neglected.

Right.

This is what we need to do when it's gone from a
an entire culture

that has criticized it and looked down upon it to say,
how is this going in our society?

Are we flowing in a good direction in metabolic health?

What if we inverted this instead of completely ignoring

the fundamental processes of the human body?

What if we actually made it the baseline and said, hey,
which is what I believe,

which is that most adults, unless you are underweight
or pregnant or something like this, right?

Look at every video.

I got all the disclaimers right
and all the contra indications.

Biggest contraindication if you just don't want to do it.

Fasting a voluntary process.

But what if we opened up that space

in the health care system
so that everybody was running the body

with some maintenance mode so that like everything,

all the blockages cleared out in the metabolism, right.

This is the vision.

This is what I really want to show you in this paper, okay.

This is the next. Slide.

This is their actual vision. Let's see it.

All right I want to read read through this for you.

This, figure four of this paper, incorporation

of intermittent
fasting patterns into health care practice and lifestyle.

To me, this is the vision of the foundation of,

Fasting at the base of the health care system.

Look at the slide in medical education.

Okay. In basic science.

Right.

Physicians, dietitians, nurses

and family practice clinics, internal medicine, Pediatrics.

Cardiology. Oncology.

Psychiatry. Just everywhere.

Lifestyle change centers.

Now, this is what I'm really talking about.

Look at that.

Over in the corner. Lifestyle change centers.

This is probably in the big vision.

What I see my clinic hopefully,
you know, turning into inpatient centers.

I'm going to be diving into that.

We got at least one of those in the country.

Doctor Gold Hammer going to be, reading to you

some of his papers in patient centers.

People like, helped in the most incredible, ways,

outpatient centers where people can go support to do this.

Like these research are showing
if you believe, if you understand,

if you see that
this is actually the foundational part of health,

a foundational part,
along with every other good part, of health,

that we are trying to optimize our metabolism.

And that by getting our metabolism in order that we can avoid

almost all chronic diseases, most chronic disease.

Think of what that looks like in the medical system.

Think how many problems it will solve, like,

yes, the health problems,
but then the economic problems, the insurance problems.

What is the health care system
going to look like when so many less people need health care?

You know what I mean?

I mean, it's so exciting to think about, like,
we want to move toward this.

Listen to how they describe it.

As a component of medical school
training in disease prevention.

And then I would add, you know, everybody else,

amazing nurses and everybody,
nurse practitioners and NPS and dietitians,

everybody as a component of broad health training in general,
I say in disease

prevention, students could learn the basics
of how fasting affects

metabolism, how cells and organs respond
adaptively to fasting.

The major indications for fasting, obesity,
diabetes, cardiovascular disease and cancer.

How to implement intermittent

fasting prescriptions to maximize long term benefits.

This is what we really want.

Physicians can incorporate fasting prescriptions

for early interventions in patients
with a range of chronic conditions or at risk a, c, c.

This is where we really optimize things.

Don't wait till somebody gets sick.

Keep it from happening right.

This is the real health care.

Particularly.

Conditions associated with overeating.

Sedentary lifestyle is combat.

Let's move against people very, very gently.

I say let's help people.

Okay? Is not easy.

That's a part C no hype.

I'm not saying that that's easy,
but the shouldn't the purpose of the health care system be?

Ultimately, if we can get all the way upstream to help

people way before disease even starts.

This is the potential.

This is why it should be at the foundation.

I say it's like pre primary care.

What they're showing here is lifestyle
change centers like centers like this.

This would be like everybody gets optimized in some.

And it should be a beautiful space right.

It should be like ideally in nature.

And there should be music
and it should just be positive and exciting.

Everybody goes there is like going on a wellness retreat.

People come in and feeling so much better
and then you go out from there.

Once you've had this incredible experience and all the
positive energy built up, you sound like moving toward health.

I am like crushing my wellness path.

Then you go into regular primary care
and you can get your pap smear

and your check a PSA or like whatever,
you know, get everything else done.

You, fall down and sprain your ankle
and you go into primary care and they help you out.

So like, but like we have put the whole focus first

on making sure that everybody is just as healthy as possible
instead of the current setup

where it's basically an afterthought
and we're just going through

and trying to check all these boxes
so that insurance companies aren't angry.

And then we like hitting metrics,
and we've reduced the entire experience

of primary care into just like a series of numbers.

And we just increasingly, treated like robots.

And we say this cannot be the optimal environment
for human flourishing.

Right. And this is what you see.

This is what we want.

Health care to be about,
creating the optimal environment for human flourishing.

Let's make that the basis of an entire health care system.

How exciting would it be?

Let's build it.

One can envision see, this is the vision is not my vision.

I'm just going to read it right off the New England Journal.

One can envision inpatient and outpatient facilities

staffed by experts in diet, nutrition, exercise and psychology
that will help patients make the transition

to sustainable fasting and exercise regimens

covered by basic health insurance policies.

Wouldn't that be incredible?

We have health insurance that cover $100,000, drugs
that don't even work for, you know, dementia.

Okay, like you could construct a facility

on host for the cost of one ineffective like Alzheimer's drug.

You know what I mean? It's just insane.

Like the amount of resources that we have here,
we don't even need many resources to do this.

We do this right now. I'm doing this right now.

I'm helping people do this right now for practically no money.

In the grand scheme of things. Okay.

And in the middle of $1 trillion, our health care system

seems to be a multi-trillion dollar health care system.

The amount of resources that we have to like,
if we were creative,

if we opened up our mind,
if we got excited and everybody said, you know what?

I've had enough of all of this.

Let's like, move in a different direction.

And all the money, the billions upon billions of dollars
that are flooding every media

platform on earth with things to try to get people on $4,500
a month.

Biologic agents for this in that okay.

Oh my gosh.

We it's imagine if the messaging became in a health care

system like you know what, there's some very simple steps
that we can take here.

Not saying that it's easy, but look we got places you can go.

We got thoughtful human beings can walk alongside you, help
you open up some space

so you can unleash the healing potential of the body
and experience it right now in your own life.

I would love to see a commercial like that on TV,
you know what I mean?

I would love to have like some really excited people,
which I'm trying to be.

Am I doing it?

I'm trying to sell the vision, you know, say people,
you know what?

You can do it. Even if you think you can, you can do it.

Like to help lift people up and look toward the light

and lean into every positive, thing that we can do.

I say, I want a health care system like that.

I do, and I think of it as we're doing it right now.

A lot of people know this, okay?

And a lot of people working toward it.

And so this is our own little space to do it.

And anybody who wants it, right, it's out there.

The ideas are here.

I hope, as many people do it, hang out on the channel,
share your experiences, the struggle, the difficulty.

Like I said, eyes wide open. I'm not saying it's just easy.

I'm not saying like, oh,
you just pop a thing down and everything's better.

Like, no, like it takes work, right?

Everything valuable in life takes work. Something like this.

A grand vision of building
an entire health care system of human flourishing.

It is a big undertaking, right?

But, like, what better thing is there to do?

You know what I mean? Like, what else are we going to do?

Just sit around, you know, like like, why not give it a shot?

That's what I say.

Yes. One can envision inpatient

and outpatient facilities
staffed by experts in diet, nutrition,

exercise psychology
that will help patients make the transition.

If you don't need help, then don't go to the center.

Just do it right.

It's not like it's it is simple.

That's why I say simple, not necessarily easy.

If it is easy for you,
then you don't need the center. Just do it.

Maybe you want to be a volunteer.

You go help people out.

You know, as an example of a specific prescription,
a patient can choose either

a daily time restricted eating regimen,

an 18 hour fasting period, and a six hour eating period.

I love that as a place to start.

And that's like level one. That's what I say. Perfect.

And you could ease into it
and you'd be very gentle with people say, hey, ease

into that doesn't have to be anything, super intense.

Start wherever you're at and build it out
or they say, pick A52 regimen

where you're eating more normally
and then having some more intense fasting.

Also wonderful.

Lots of different ways to think about.

It's like choose your own adventure.

I would love that.

You know, we should be doing that.

You mentioned doctors writing prescriptions for that.
I would do that.

I take out my prescription pad, I ride people,
I say trading like this and then come back to a visit.

People like, oh my gosh, I could do it.

Yeah, like lost some weight.

It's like I was like, do you want to stick with it?

You know, it's like somebody will find something.

Say, I switched into something as I started
just having my coffee in the morning,

and I felt great and realized
I could flow through that space pretty comfortably.

And then I have a tasty lunch.

See, I've already done the hard work.

I let fasting do the work.

Now I don't have to have a baby meal.

I can just have a normal meal.

This is sustainable.

Would you agree
you feel that way as opposed to the standard mindset?

Whereas like never eat as much as I want.

Always having to watch what?

What I'm dialing in, what if it was too much
and then it could always be less.

And so then you can start guilt tripping yourself.

See, there's so much bad psychology that in a standard dieting

process, body is built to eat meals.

This is a framework that lets you eat meals
that tastes good, that you say, I love that,

and then you do the hard work in the fasting space,
but you just flow through it.

To me, the ideal weight loss process,
the ideal practice is a flow state

or just flowing through it in a joyful, positive way.

It's pretty much the only way
that you could make something sustainable in the long term.

You get sick of it and quit, which is what happens
to most people if they aren't really loving the process.

Gotta love the process.

This is a process that you can love.

I just tell you you can come to love it.

What could they say here?

A four month transition period to accomplish the goal.

That's what the center is trying to do.

Take people in for four months,
super support them for four months.

Love that.

This is like the opposite of hype, right?

This is a real this is telling people,
hey, let's take four months

and try to get you in a space that's like that.

That's just the first step, right?

The hype machine that is like modern marketing
try to sell you everything.

Like, just take this.

Are you going to be sold two months from now?

A thoughtful thing in the New England
Journal, some researchers coming to you,

what is, what is a reasonable process?

Say, let's take four months just to start,
you know what I mean?

And I love that.

I usually get people, people coming in as like,
let's make a two year plan.

You know, the take the pressure way off.

By taking the pressure down, we open up the space
to allow the body to adapt, to build skills and processes,

because we want to win the long game
and so we talk a lot on this channel about compounding

and a geometric process that a lot of gains
come down the road.

You got to build the foundation with start compounding.

That's what we're doing in that four months, like
they're saying here building the foundation so that here okay.

Now we hit our goal and we're just at that.

That goal becomes the inflection point.

And then we're on to better and better.

To facilitate adherence to the prescription,

the physician staff should be in frequent contact
with the patient during the four month period

and should closely monitor
the patient's weight, glucose, and ketone levels.

I tell you that the frequent contact
I got to tell you, they keeping it top of mind.

Is it a priority?

Is it important having systems to do it?

I think is is very important.

I think it is very important.

I got to tell you. Look at all my disclaimers.

Okay. Look, I got the disclaimers in here.

I'm an internet guy, okay? I work, I have no idea. I'm just.

I'm in my little studio here talking to the camera
all by myself.

I'm creating a resource for people.

Okay?

But we try to interact,
say hi in the chat, but I'm not managing anybody's conditions.

We're not running a clinic here.

I have an actual clinic.

It's in Fitchburg, Wisconsin.

I do telemedicine, I'm licensed in Wisconsin.

Are you one of my actual patients?

You know, come talk to me. Okay.

That said, okay, the research shows what the researchers say,

the people who have the most success in the long term
with any weight loss process,

whether it's not fasting or anything,
any dietary process, any exercise process,

whatever it is, research
which suggests that people who have the most success

are the people who have the most contact with whatever program
they're doing right,

the most support the most human connection, the most

keeping it top of mind, like if you went into a spot

once a month and that kind of refreshed
and kept you on the track, who's going to do better?

Who's someone who does that,
or someone who comes in like three days a week, right.

And is having that.

And this is the one of the ideas that I have
on the fasting space.

This whole session is like, okay, look, we don't live in

this ideal, health care system hasn't been created yet.

It's like all these things you say,
it would take incredible amount

of, thoughtful, diligent, work to do.

I know when I'm doing it, I want to do it.

Let's, you know, come together.

Do you want to help with it?
Send me an email with your ideas.

Let's all work together.

Okay?

But but before the realization of that,

you know, giant insurance companies
not going to just disappear.

HMO is not going to suddenly start, killing the cash machine
by trying to help everybody

just be, completely healthy with, thoughtful things.

Okay?

But who cares?

Look, if the evidence suggests that keeping things
top of mind is good,

you got content right here
with somebody who wants to bring that vision into reality.

You come into a fasting space, grab a coffee.

We talk about this stuff, you know, and, sometimes we do,

kind of more academic TikToks like this
look into medical literature.

Sometimes I throw on some pleasant music.

We chill out,
we talk about, like, really artistic stuff, you know,

which is like the big root of this,

what I would like to see people in these,
vision of a fasting centers doing is talking about,

the creative aspect of a human being,
about how we're not some sort of, robot.

And in fact, we can dream and and envision things.

And the one thing that we get to create, if nothing else,

if you're like me and you didn't pick up a paintbrush
since you were in like kindergarten

until one day last year,
I said, you know, I'm just going to paint something.

I went to an art supply shop.

I tried, I tried to paint some stuff.

It was not very good, okay.

But I had fun and and inspired my kids to do some painting.

And so we we all had fun. Okay.

But the thing we came for a real create.

Okay, we can create our expression of health.

We can take every piece of good advice
from every artist who's ever tried to create something.

It's a challenge to create something.

It's a challenge to create the healthiest version of ourself

in a world that is so dysfunctional,

and the human beings never had to deal
honestly with the challenges that we face.

Synthetic food. Food that looks real but isn't.

Food that is inundated with secret forever
chemicals and microplastics, and the stuff that is damaging

and hormonal structure of our body like that is messed
up, is like living in a sci fi novel, you know what I mean?

Like, oh man, it's like to be healthy

in a space like that, to move forward despite it.

Okay, that is a challenge.

Okay?

We need to come together, support each other.

We can do it in this space.

Just invite you. Come hang out, share your experience.

Share the positives.

Share the difficulties.

Eyes wide open to the reality of all of it.

We celebrate the wins and we work through
and we sit in the space of the difficulties.

So I just offer it to you.

We replicate some of the benefits of this studies right now
just on a YouTube channel.

Swing and right now center the thinking center,

the mindset in places that are truly positive and healthy.

I know this is what I'm, trying to do.

Maybe the most important things
I say, like the the foundation of a health care

system can be fasting, you know,
and I really think it can on the physical level,

the physical space of fasting, I always love to point out,

mirrored very closely into the emotional space,
of a meditation

and that as we are opening up physical space in the body,

we are coming into contact with that same spot.

When we open up mental space, we shut off

the distractions, we turn off the phone, we get it out.

We say, I'm going to have just some space for myself here

can be very hard in this society to do it because like,
even now we're using technology for a good purpose.

I think it's really good.

But then also we can get stuck in the phone,
stuck on a screen.

It's like we need some space
in order to let that stimulation level come down a bit.

And then we find into that same space, they say,

oh, some thoughts coming in here
are not always pleasant with us.

I want to go back right. We can get the dopamine is flowing.

We can we can develop an addiction to anything
a phone, a screen, a feeling.

We want to really get into fundamental health
and healing spaces in the body.

Say, can be a little uncomfortable to go into that space fast

and going into that same space,
we like to fill that space instead of

just sitting with our self say, so boring, I don't we're not.

A culture says don't tolerate any boring.

We can fill up our existence with every type of distraction.

Okay? Food can certainly flow into that space.

A big thing we're trying to do on a physical science,
a fasting space,

create barriers, insulate this really valuable space.

I hope I've showed, today.

Really valuable space, incredible physiology,

powerful physiology of health in the body that we need

to start really reimagining,

using the power
that is present, available in all of our bodies,

in other everywhere is like, lean into health.

Okay? Powerful space.

The same power that is fasting space in the body

is the same power, the same concept at least of

what an open meditation space is in the mind.

Okay. Do you struggle with anxiety and depression?

Discouragement any anything like this or is like,
look in the body.

Fasting is giving us the mirror.

It's showing us the perspective.

You want to dissolve dysfunctional proteins, chop up broken,

cellular structures and rejuvenate them,
and cleanse the system.

Okay. The fasting going to help you do that.

Do you have dysfunctional thoughts and is the mind jammed up?

Do you experience that? Racing thoughts and anxiety worry.

Opening up the space.

That's like fasting. Space for the mind.

Space to let that out. Release it.

Just like we're releasing the energy that we don't want
anymore in the body is burning through body fat.

Help us lose weight.

Feel lighter.

Okay, open up fasting space, meditation space in the mind.

Let the mind release all these stored thoughts and negativity.

Burn it up.

Release it so that we can feel lighter.

This is a parallel between the two.

That's why I love the A vision from the researchers.

They got the psychologist right in the center right away.

Like we need it. Like.
I just give you some more visions, okay?

When we have a system like this and we do our best

replication of it, now that's like,

this is like the 0.1 version, you know, that we're like,
we're running this ahead of time.

We're building out the protocols
when we get into a space like this.

I was talking to somebody, yesterday.

It's calling it metabolic psychology.

I just I love that I love it so much.

We need metabolic psychology
in, like, every clinic in the country, you know?

But, I kind of view my clinic that way.

It's like metabolic psychology.

It's like we're getting deep into the metabolism.

We're bringing in every effort
to help support our total well-being.

And mindset.

Listen, when we're way upstream of this,
just take a few minutes to think about it here with me.

If we have gotten so far upstream that we help someone

who is pre-diabetic

and gaining weight, and then we help them flow in a direction

through this process that we say,
maybe they went in a beautiful center,

and then they lost weight
and the insulin resistance diminished.

And now they're not even pre-diabetic anymore.

They never even had to go on that format.

Okay.

Think of everything that is downstream of that,
because think of the cascade that we know, okay,

people with type two diabetes is like twice as likely
to have heart attacks, like, like when we get way upstream

the cardiovascular disease
leading killer of people in this country think

how much cardiovascular disease does not ever even happen.

Like isn't isn't it amazing to think about?

Sitting in that fasting space,
the autophagy space, like every cell in the body

including the vascular endothelium, right.

The beautiful soft little lining of all of our blood vessels.

How about some autophagy space for that.

Remember in the inflammation talk
we did we are seeing inflammation

developing in the lining of the blood vessels
and the macrophages coming in.

And they're jamming in like half of cholesterol
in their building.

The plaque that the plaque is actually an inflammatory process
okay.

And we're seeing in this study is showing
okay we're getting way upstream.

The inflammation is coming down.

Can we prevent the vascular disease even in the first place?

I tell you you can. Everywhere we can go along on this.

Every type of arthritis from, autoimmune

arthritis to actual osteoarthritis is all inflammatory.

At the root of it we saw in there.

And so as we were getting upstream of that think in this,

society, how much orthopedic surgery do we have?

Spinal surgery, joint replacements
that are all downstream of these processes.

And if we help people to optimize their weight and metabolism

and keep the inflammation
from running amok in the body for decades, how much money?

I mean, how much are we charging for knees now? 30 grand.

You know, the amount of money that are flowing.

Can you get all the way upstream of it? So incredible.

Like just the idea
that we are not absolutely pouring our resources,

just pouring our resources into a place like this,
we have got to be doing it.

What do you think? Have I given you a vision?

Do you think? Have I given you a vision?

Do you like it?

Do you hear what I'm saying?

What do you, think about it?

I would love to know what ideas do you have?

What is your vision?

What is your vision of it?

Then when we're doing all these things,
when all this stuff is upstream in us.

So many people, so much healthier,
how much pressure has come off everything?

How many health care providers
can you be so much less burned out

and finding more joy in medicine because people doing better.

And then you can devote all of the time
to helping the people who really need it, you know,

the people who can, you know, do this.

I'm not saying everybody's
going to be able to do it. And this.

But we help as many people as possible
to have as much benefit as possible.

And then we free up all the resources.

To do every good thing for everybody.

And we use every other piece of technology
and good things to, to every best purpose.

But I tell you, it's gonna be a lot more affordable,
a lot more.

I'm going to end our little, talking on this
with a quote from my favorite little buddy book.

Open your mind, open your life.

Okay, I love this book because sometimes

the biggest ideas, the best ideas come in small little things.

This is fasting, right?

It's a very tiny thing. It's so tiny.

It's actually nothing I can't even. It's nothing. Okay.

Very tiny.

It. I'm telling you, in this, space,
you build an entire health care system on it.

A man found a long stretch of beach upon

which hundreds of starfish had been stranded by a great storm.

He observed a boy cupping starfish in his hands.

One by one, he would gently place them back into the sea.

And then ask the boy, what does it matter?

You'll never save them all.

The boy smiled.

It matters to the ones I save.

I just love that story.

I pick a pick that because it's like, okay,

it's all great to have grand visions, you say,
but we we are here in the reality of,

the situation where nothing like this really exists
except for these tiny little things.

Okay? But this is okay.

This is the story. Like, this is us here.

We just got one tiny little starfish,
and we're just trying to set it back in the ocean.

You know what I mean?

We cannot be overwhelmed. Sometimes I feel this way.

Do you ever feel that overwhelmed by the scale of the problems

and the difficulty and the challenges
and the dysfunction of this present moment?

Look, you can't save every starfish on the seashore.

We just do what we can.

We don't have any responsibility to do anything

other than what we can do with our one small human life.

Come here.

We take the starfish that we can
and we put it back in the ocean.

Let's put as many starfish back in the ocean.

Starting in our own health.

What does our beach look like?

That's what I would say.

Like where are the areas where some storm came through?

There's been collateral damage.

There are things that need to be put back into order,
like in our own.

Let's get our own health in order first.

I love a talk like this, a grand vision.

Bring it back right to our own thing.

Our own beach on the seashore.

Let's start putting some starfish back in the ocean.

Okay, maybe that's opening up some fasting space.

Taking a walk, taking one processed food item
that you would have eaten and not doing it.

See all this stuff
we can have? The grand vision is incredible.

Love it.

That's like climbing a mountain,
looking to the horizon, having

something that can lift ourselves up
into this beautiful direction.

Then we ground ourselves here in this present moment,
right in this space.

Do the things that we can in this day,
take one step toward that vision.

We'll be healthier at the end of the day
as my challenge to you be healthier at the end of the day.

Thanks for sharing this space with me today.

Have a beautiful day.

I look forward to seeing you again next week.