Fasting Space

If you are looking to lose weight, if you are looking to do it

naturally, a let's say you are in the right place.

That is my biggest goal

to make this the most encouraging space.

A space that is open, to the reality of,

the difficulty of losing weight in the modern world.

A place that is honest about the most thoughtful,
natural ways to do it.

That stays away from any kind of hype,

you know, like the whole weight loss space

full of hype and, trying to sell so many things.

It's miracle. The whole channel.

Simple fasting because we are trying

to find the simplest way to lose weight
means the least expensive,

the least complicated, the least risk.

So lose weight naturally implies you could do it unnaturally.

You know, to me, you could go a couple ways with that meaning
just forcing something.

Fasting to me is an openness.

Nothing to do, nothing to force.

Now certain person
you could say, well, you could force yourself to, practice

fasting is like that is, to me, that's not fasting.

That's like something not as good.

You can lose weight exercising. I'm a big exerciser.

I want everybody as strong as possible. Exercise? Absolutely.

As much as you want.

That's a natural path. Okay.

There are natural paths to weight loss.

Exercise an incredible natural path.

Encourage everybody you know.

Explore these paths as much as possible.

Exercise them a lot to do.

Fasting a complementary practice, for sure.

It's like nothing to do.

Have you struggled to lose weight?

Exercising.

Are you busy?

Do you lack the motivation?

You say? I mean, how do I get rolling on all these things?

Okay, fasting is a pathway, nothing to do.

Just think about it.

The body has physiology.

What you think about physiology means
how does how does the body work?

Like what is happening?

You know, things are happening in the body like here.

We're bringing things down to a very fundamental level
and very simple.

Think of think of all the division and controversy in society
and people arguing about this in that.

Can we bring things down to a very fundamental level?

Can we disagree?

Things are happening in the body like not controversial.

Things are happening and we're not even controlling them.

Right. We've got this thin little conscious layer up here.

But how much is going on?

We don't control.

Heart is pumping all the time. We don't.

We don't have to tell it to keep going.

The breathing happens.

Every cell in our body is working.

Have you ever looked at, you know, cells under a microscope?

See a little cell just.

It's its own self-contained entity.

Yet it's part of this whole broader collective.

They do what they do.

We don't command them.

The cells are what are forming our metabolism.

We're trying to lose weight naturally, right?

We're trying to look within the body, find

energy, restore metabolic health,

optimize it, let it, unleash it.

These are the types of words that I really love.

This is the natural path to realize that things are happening
in the body, and those things take energy.

That's the metabolism is always running.

Long as we're alive.

We are alive here. In a moment.

The fundamental things we can agree on.

It's like, think how often in a day
do we just blow by something like that?

You know?

I was blowing by it.

We just say it like it's so simple.

But what a miracle, right?

This is the process of slowing down,
finding gratitude and appreciation.

Presence right here. In a moment.

We are here in a moment. Right now.

So we're sinking into this space.

We're sinking in here into this moment.

We're trying to lose weight. Naturally.

We're looking into the body,
seeing the power that resides in it.

The energy is always flowing.

Sometimes we get in our own way.

This is a lot of what is happening in society

with metabolic health is that we are getting in our own way.

The body has a natural rhythm, the body has a natural cycle.

We've seen things are happening in the body
that require energy all the time.

But as we sink down into that deeper level
in the body, in the physiology.

We find some very interesting things, which is the body

is a bit more complicated under the hood.

Then we have appreciated.

Have you ever done it?

You look at a car like it looks so simple,
like if you're not a car person, you open up the hood

and like you look in and you're like,
oh my gosh, look at all this stuff.

I don't even know what this is.

You know who even knew? Like a car has a water pump?

Would you have guessed? Like what?

And what in the world?

Okay, we get under the hood in human metabolism.

It is more complex than people have thought.

The thing that's incredible about the human body.

You can function in the world.

You don't have to know about any of it. You know what I mean?

But if we're having problems, we say it is like a problem
here.

Metabolism is not working the way we want.

I'm not as healthy as I want.

I'm having trouble balancing the energy in the system.

How does this system really work?
What is really happening here?

What is the truth? You know?

What is the rhythm?

Here the beautiful rhythms say to me,
metabolism is like a dance.

I think about this in my mind.

Between the body and the environment,

how we eat and how we move, the body's goals and our goals.

The dance.

Think about a beautiful dance in in a big way
is about finding balance, right?

Thinking like you're trying to do some tricky dance,
like something you don't know, a samba or something like.

Like it's like if you don't know the moves
you're trying to coordinate, dance with somebody, right?

If it's off balance, you know you're stepping on your feet,
you're falling over, is like,

this is not jiving right?

To have you been in a place like that in your metabolism?

Say, man, things are not clicking here. You know what I mean?

we can get in our own way.

This is what is happening in society,
many different ways that we are getting in our own way.

I loved the discussion we were having the other day

where we were talking about like,
health is the default state of the human body.

I mean, it is the default state of all living things
to have health,

meaning that that the way of being is its natural state.

Things are just working how they're supposed to be doing.

And the concept of healing.

We often think of healing as like a magic force, like

a magic wand is going to come and like, heal something.

It's like we have so much, you know, sci fi or movies.

Say somebody cast a spell.

The view that I have of the type of real healing
that isn't magic, the type of thing that actually exists

in the world, is is creating an environment

that supports the natural state of the body.

If we are holding the body back,
if we are putting the body into a position

where it is not able to flow through the processes

that it expects, that it was designed and built for,

the body adapts to these different circumstances

and those adaptations are often what we perceive as disease.

Restore the conditions.

Allow the system to operate in a way that it is designed to.

Work. And you see those manifestations go away.

You see the the reaction, like the calluses

that are building up
because we're trying to work against something

like, well, now the body doesn't need that anymore

because now we can flow in the natural state.

And we see conditions normalize.

We see that appears to us as healing really
is just returning to the normal state.

You know, want to try to return the system
as close to normal as possible?

This to me is what a fasting space offers.

I love the analogy.

I like creating this space for the garden.

The gardener works,
the soil provides, the water clears it right away, the space

so the sun can come in provides nutrients,
but it doesn't make the seed grow.

You know the seed is alive. It does what it does.

The body is alive.

I think of our body.

Think of the of health is like a seed.

It's like we can help to cultivate the health,
but we can't manifest health.

No spell to cast. Right.

But yet health can arise.

It arises out of the body
when we give it the right conditions.

Creating the right conditions is two
things is taking away things that are blocking the conditions,

and it's providing the things that support those conditions.

Toxins coming into the body.

Synthetic
things that are not part of the natural rhythm of the body.

This is like a huge thing.

We have created synthetic food.

I was watching a documentary yesterday and canola oil
and just how it's made, like

and how it's everywhere in so much processed food.

I mean, there's a way to open your mind of like,
you just watch it.

I mean, it is a gigantic industrial process if you think
about, you know, how it how do we get an olive oil?

We just press the olives, you know?

And when you get the oil versus trying to have a canola oil

that has come through a gigantic industrial process,
like a 100 different steps,

including chemical extraction with benzene and other,
oh my goodness.

Just look that up. Like, how is canola oil made.

And just watch it and then ask yourself, like,
do I want to put something like that into my body again?

You know, I'll just tell you, I don't like I've always kind of
had a thought like, I don't know about this,

but now I'm just kind of resolving that is not something
I want going into my body, you know what I mean?

So we're trying to create the conditions

that nature expects that nature is tuned to.

Okay.

Nature is not tuned to industrial processes.

Right?

The body is tuned. The body is nature.

The body arose out of this earth.

It's going back to the Earth ultimately.

Right?

Everything about it, it is part of it is a natural cycle.

We want to be eating things
that are part of that natural cycle.

If we say, look at the history that we've done on
just this channel, our talks, right,

we traced the roots of our metabolic dysfunction
through the industrial revolution.

It's industrial culture that drives metabolic dysfunction.

The dysfunction is out in society.

And we literally we bring it into our body

through consuming the products of industrial culture.

Say, I want my body to be different.

I want my body to be healthy.

I don't want to bring in industrial culture into my body.

I want to be part of, like a tiny group of people
who are saying, like, I want a different culture.

I want fasting culture.

You know what I mean?

When a health culture
I want to bring so don't consume industrial

products,
don't consume products that are covered in plastic and,

and have chemicals that are very plastic, like synthetic oils
and all this sort of stuff

that are very close to literally eating plastic

and engine lubricant, you know, like nasty stuff.

No. So that's part of it, right?

Keep the bad out fast and giving us an incredible space.

Like it's very hard to keep the bad out when it's like,
what even is it?

You know, it can be hard in societies like food looks good.

We're used to eating it.

We say something that seems natural, maybe isn't okay.

Fasting, giving us at least a baseline is why
consider fasting.

The base can guarantee you you're in a fasting space.

You're just drinking at some pleasant calorie free thing.

No artificial sweeteners.

You say there's nothing toxic coming in this space.

You know, we're at least cordoning off this space,
giving my body the space.

Like we're saying, let the garden grow.

We can't make it grow. We're just providing the conditions.

Fasting space in the body is that type of space.

It's like we're clearing out the space for the garden
and we're giving it water, right?

Drink a water, drink a coffee.

Seeds need the water to grow and they need sunlight.

These are the same things. This is nature, right?

We need vitamin D,
we need sunlight for our physical and mental health.

The first really sunny day yesterday in Madison,

I got up to like 60 degrees
and went out for a walk and feel so good, right?

Is to bringing life to the body.

The conditions right when it's,

when it's always dark, it's like he puts

you put covers over all your plants so the light can't get in.

They're not going to flourish right?

Open up the fasting space.

Think of the garden.

Then it needs the nutrients who want to keep the bad out?

Are you getting the good in? We need nutrition.

This is the balance on the fasting space.

And this is why I say simple fasting.

The fasting within a day
don't even have to have any extended fasting.

We can talk about it. We can be inspired by it.

Maybe at some point in your life
you are called to do some pinnacle fasting.

Experience can be incredible.

But most of the time, you know, most of the time
we're trying to find this balance

healthy food coming in that nourishes the body, the vitamins,

the nutrients, everything that we need, the macros.

You know, it's like we need to run the body.

We need healthy protein.

Probably not as much as we think
when we are in a fasting space.

A lot of the RDA recommended daily allowance for protein.

You know, we get into it.

I mean, definitely we need protein to build solid muscles.

But the studies that have looked at

how much protein people need, nobody fasting in this space,

nobody appreciating the autophagy effect,

nobody realizing that when we shut down
the constant consumption, we open up this natural space

that all the degraded proteins already protein in here, right.

But some of it is dysfunctional, some of it is not working.

And we don't just throw that stuff away, we can save it

in special storage structures in the cell.

And when we open up that space, we can degrade

and chop up those old proteins and then use that stuff.

We don't have to just have the new protein.

We can use the the dysfunctional protein
and renew it, rejuvenate the system.

Like there's an incredible natural process, right?

Autophagy process.

Like I just think we don't talk about it enough. Like.

So we're sitting in this space, we say,
what is the natural state of the body?

Natural state of the body
is that we encounter more food than we need.

Body wants to do us a favor and store it.

This is just this is natural.

This is why I was doing those sessions back in the fall.

Is obesity really a disease?

There's there's different sides to that argument.

There's different people come down in different ways on
and there's benefits to thinking about it

each way I see
I don't really come down 100% one or the other.

I come mostly down on saying no, though,
because storing energy for the body so that it has

resources is a core function of the physiology of the body,
and nothing is broken when that happens.

Like literally when that happens.

So we don't like it. We say, I don't want to be overweight.

But from the body's perspective,
it's like, hey, this is not so bad, right?

There's just pros and cons to it. It's just conditions.

Body says we encountered more food than we needed.

We stored it. We're trying to be helpful.

This is how we bring in the compassion to the body.

Realize this is the natural process.

There's a natural process that leads to that point,
and there's a natural process that leads out of it.

And that's what we're trying to do here,
to sink into that space, to realize it doesn't cost any money.

There's a natural process to flow out of it.

You don't have to take synthetic hormones in order to do it.

If that's if that's part of your calling, if it helps you,
I don't, you know, I never judge anybody for it.

I've prescribed thousands and literally thousands

of prescriptions of weight loss medicines I've prescribed.

Okay.

Never would have done it
if I didn't think it could help someone.

It can be helpful, but the more I did
that, I'll tell you the process of doing that thing.

Oh, like, here's a problem, right?

A prescription problem prescription.

The more I sink into it, the more I say,

we have got to get underneath all of this to really dig down

and understand, like what is happening
and why can we do this differently?

Can we do this naturally?

Is it actually better if the very best way to optimize

metabolic health was taking some sort of substance, like,
I keep doing it, but I have,

after doing it for a decade,
I've cut it off because I've said this is just not a process.

That in the big picture to me, is really helping

to manifest and create a lot of health.

It's like a process, a kind of like

kind of gets by a bit, doesn't.

To me,
it doesn't feel like a joyful expression, does not feel like

a powerful manifestation of health, does

not feel like the process that is opening up

a beautiful space
and allowing just health to flourish in a body.

If somebody experiences that bless you, it's great.

Any sort of natural process
opening up a fasting space, eating healthy foods, exercising,

dialing in on our amount of mental health practice
not incompatible with something like that in any fashion.

You come through your on some medicine like that

beautiful dial in on the natural processes.

What I would tell you is like, you know,
the system will tell you you're stuck on that forever.

And I will tell you, can you look at it like training wheels?

Can you say this is something that is helping me like,
see that there is a different way

of organizing my eating,
a different way of experiencing things.

Can you use it as a training program
so that you can be free of it

at some point in the future and set sail?

You know?

Only if you want to. If you take it, you like it.

Everything is great.

Of course,
you know, carry on, talk with your team about it, of course.

But like if does that resonate on the deepest level?

What resonates on the deepest level with me

is that the core state of a human being is health.

And that that the
that maybe by the even the definition of health

is that it's not dependent on anything else,
that it just exists in its own space.

If we have health,
but only if we are dependent on something else.

So is is is this really stable? Is it really grounded?

This is what I want.

Of course to have health.

We look at the healthy food
like ultimately we're dependent on healthy food right now.

We can't fast forever.

We can't even fast for a very, very long period of time.

It's like we have bits of fasting
that can bring health to the body,

but ultimately, right, we are dependent on food, right?

And food is what we want to be dependent on the healthiest,
most natural foods that we can have.

There is the natural cycle. Or see, that's the natural way.

going to share some reflection with you today from,
this book,

The Mountain, as you were moving through it full.

This section, we dive in a bit here.

It says when you find yourself struggling with something.

So here we are. We're trying to walk on a health path.

We're trying to overcome an obstacle,
move powerfully in a direction.

Anything of value.

Do you agree with this?

Anything of value that we're trying to move toward?

Anything of value.

There's it takes work. It takes.

We have to often strive or struggle to accomplish it.

That's climbing a mountain, right?

When you find yourself struggling with something,
you have to ask yourself,

do I actually want to do this?

We've, dove in on a lot of questions like that, right?

We try to dive really deep.

Who am I? What do I really want?

We're in a space.

We've been talking about this
a lot lately. About the plateau.

We've walked up a part of the mountain,
and now we are sitting in this space.

so here we have climbed up to this place.

We're in this plateau space.

We're on a journey, right?

It's like a natural health exploration.

Ask yourself, do I actually want this?

Listen to what they say here.

At the end of the day, self-sabotage
sometimes functions to show us

that we aren't quite on the right path yet, that we need time

to reevaluate and determine what would feel best for our life.

Excuse me.

Maybe then we are saying right to recalibrate,

even if that means we disappoint some people.

Or maybe we disappoint our younger self, the self before.

Before it has all these judgments and opinions.

So like we're I've, I've laid out so far right.

We've talked through there are natural paths in the body,
natural ways that the system is working.

We're trying to get in the flow, in the dance,
in the rhythm of that process.

So that in the midst of things
that are difficult in the midst of struggle

and like I said at the beginning, eyes wide open,

nothing hyped, nothing's

anything other than the reality of what is happening.

And then see, in that very space,

we're trying to get in the flow of the energy

of the body, remove all the barriers to that,
meaning any toxic

things coming out, giving the body everything it needs.

But even in that space to say, hey, I'm doing that
as much as I can at the moment

to the the greatest skill that I have,

I am dialing in my environment AI habits.

We're doing so much work on that right?

Keep every unhealthy thing out
that is going to spike up the blood sugar.

Get in the messing up our hormones like insulin.

Remember insulin?

We need it to handle all the carbs coming in.

But then insulin is blocking access to the body
fat that creates this environment

where energy flows into the body,
but it can't so easily flow out.

That's what I'm talking about, the blockage.

That is not the natural way,
because in the way the body is designed and the way

this human system would have interacted with the natural world

before industrial culture came in and changed everything.

Think culture has changed. The world has changed.

The body has not changed.

Normally the energy would just be flowing in, out, in, out.

Now we've created this system. We're not eating natural foods.

It is altering the hormonal structure in the body very,
very easy in this culture for energy to flow in.

But now we make it hard for it to flow out
because the hormones are changed,

the insulin is higher, it's created an environment
where we want to hang on to this and store it.

This is what the natural path is.

The natural path is trying to undo that,
to separate from it, disconnect

from it, give space
so that the whole structure can return to balance.

The body knows say we don't know what we're doing now.

Instruction manual came here.

It's like we open up the fasting space is like to me,
the foundational layer, the core thing.

We're in that space, okay.
We know we're not putting anything in here.

We're not getting in the way of the body for this whole space
body, you know, to I like to personify it.

A body is sitting there thinking like like, oh, look at this.

Like, this is something.

Get this fasting space.

Okay, let's put the insulin away.

Hey, hate. Like it's like someone is kind of like him.

Burn up all that blood sugar there,
you know? Get get that out of the way.

Okay. Hey, this is great.

Like, this has kept going like some other cells

are firing off, like,
hey, man, it's been 12 hours since we ate.

And they're like,
they start the acid pump, start going as like.

But we're not eating.

And sometimes, like, what are you doing that for? Like,
hey, look, there's no food here.

You don't need to do that.

It's like, well, I'm sorry.

Like, we're just used to doing this, right?

This is the experience.

And then someone else is like, look, we're still not eating.

Like,
we don't need to be doing this. Put that back away, okay?

The first hands.

That's very intense.

Have you experienced that?

Like, maybe you weren't even intentionally doing it.

You forgot your lunch when you went to work
and you didn't have it.

And it's like.

Can feel very intense. Like.

But then look what happens, right?

And maybe you flow through that space where it's like,
you got super busy, you didn't even eat.

Was you flowing through through that space?

All of a sudden it's three in the afternoon. You're like,
what happened?

I was so busy as like, if you had been paying attention,
you would have got hungry, but then you were distracted.

You flow through the space.
Turns out didn't need the energy. Right?

You were fine.

Like body, very powerful.

And you realize, like. How interesting. Right?

Body just got the energy.

Can picture the cells, put that acid back away.
We don't need it.

Keep it shut down. Okay.

What's next?

Like pull out the battle plans.

It's like, oh, look at this.

The insulin levels come down.

Just grab some of the body fat.

They're like, you know, the first times you're doing it.

If you haven't done that but is like, oh my gosh, like

where is like the road is, is all grown over.

Like we gotta cut our way back through the path.

That's why we want to be very gentle and kind,
to train the body, to be able to do these things.

You know, I was talking with my son
the other day about how, like,

you want to be stronger, you got to, like, work,
you know, and and he was just reflecting.

It's like, well, how come like,
why would your body ever not be strong?

Like, why if you're just sitting around with the body
still not want to grow muscle.

So you could just be stronger, like, wouldn't he be great.

It's like, why do you have to lift weights if you
why do you have to do things?

I mean, this is how it is, you know,
what I'm saying is just how it is.

You know?

But the body is ultimately efficient.

The body
it takes resources to to maintain everything in the body.

The body is not going to spend the resources
to maintain things that are unnecessary.

That it doesn't need takes energy to maintain muscles.

This is one of the big reasons that, resistance

training so helpful on a weight loss path,
you start building some muscles, takes energy to maintain

that you're burning energy to do

the actual exercise, and you're creating lean, tissue

that is more metabolically active,
more powerful, takes more energy to run.

It's like it just feeds everything forward, right?

These are the natural paths.

The same process. The same thought process.

You gotta use the muscles in order to build them to be strong.

Okay.

You've got to use the fasting space

in order to train the body,
to build out the pathways to do it.

This is one of the reasons it's more difficult to start out,
because if you've never practiced

fasting like you don't do it,
the body does not efficiently build out those pathways.

So like we just don't use it, you know,
it's like it atrophies just like the muscle atrophies.

This is why it is a practice.

And it's something that you can get better at both
because you get more skilled at it.

You get more history and experience.

So like, I know at this feels like I know what to expect.

But also the body actually just physically gets better at it

because it builds out the structures to efficiently do it.

This is the natural path, the natural cycle.

This section goes on okay.

This is saying like what do we really want?
Is this what we want?

You know, we're trying to sit here in a natural space.

Where do I really want to lose weight?

Do I really want to climb the mountain?

Do I want to work toward it? We answer yes.

Okay. This is here.

We don't have to live the rest of our lives trying to achieve

some measure of success that we thought was ideal.

When we were too young to understand who we even were.

Okay, this is how we're answering this question right now.

Who are we now? Like we know who we were in the past.

We know, like we've said, what our habits are.

They're they're things that solved problems
for us in the past, like,

but we don't have to be stuck in those cycles that we were in.

Like, we're a new person now.

Like, let's just wipe the slate clean for a bit.

Maybe we didn't know in the past,
okay, there are natural cycles.

We haven't thought about it this deeply about
how the physiology of the body works and what is happening.

And we say like it's time for a new way of being,

a new way of thinking, a new way of approaching health.

Okay?

And we don't have to be stuck in the cycles of decision
making from when we were younger

and when we did not have as much experience or perspective.

Our only responsibility is what they say here

is to make decisions for the person we have become.

That's now, you see, that's living in the present,
that's living like right here, in this moment there.

I said, we have a moment right here.

This is a health moment, this day, this opportunity.

We are not living in the past.

We're breaking out of every cycle of it.

We have been stuck in we are not anxious about the future.

We're not trying to accomplish three years
worth of work in this moment.

Because. And that can overwhelm us.

I can make us feel small, like we lack.

It's like, oh, the the mountain is so high. Okay.

I would just sitting here in our little base camp,

we're making our plan for today,
and we're dialing in on this beautiful space.

We're like,
look what we have right here in this day and opportunity.

A really, really beautiful, incredible opportunity.

The best opportunity of health that we ever could have,

which is just to live one day,
our one human day right here in this day.

And we say, I am done with the past.

I'm not worried about the future,
but today I can make powerful decisions of health.

Today I can lean into these natural practices

just to the extent that it feels good,

just to the extent that it feels exciting, like curiosity,
joy, exploration.

See, this is what health should be.

These are the healthy thoughts.

See, when I even say it, I start smiling, I get more animated.

I'm like, I want to do it,
you know I want who doesn't want to experience

joy, you know, and to have curiosity and and to say, like,

I want to move towards
something really beautiful and powerful and awesome.

You know, that's the what's what's better health is.

This is how you fill yourself up
and find the motivation to actually do something difficult.

Now, because we say we're not afraid to say
like losing weight is difficult.

I'm not here trying to sell anybody on any kind of thing

like, you know, lose all the weight you want by next month.

I'm just saying, how do we find a joyful way of being
where we are being healthy?

And one day and we say, you know what? That was great.

I want to do that again.

You know, like we're talking in this session yesterday
about how habits

form, like we have we want a reward, right?

We want to feel great.
People always want to feel better. Okay.

Like and we look for things that help us feel better
outside of ourselves.

The snack food or like the thing

that we think this is going to help our emotional state
to feel better.

These are the habits that trap us in these negative cycles

of having to consume things in order to find happiness.

And when I'm want to show
so much like happiness is already here,

just like we have to get get so many things out of the way

in order for our metabolism to function

like so much,
we always think I have to do something to be happy.

It's like fasting, giving us the model, the perspective,

which is much more broad in life to say,
like so much of the way to find happiness

actually to not do, to stop doing,
to recognize this already here, you know.

Happiness already here.

Health is already health is buried in there.

That's
what I'm saying. Health is the natural state of the body.

We have to get so many things out of the way.

We have to open up the space,
stop doing so many negative things,

and then we start having enough space
to let the garden grow, right?

We've gotten all the weeds out of the way.

Now we can plant the real seeds,
the positive cycles that we want.

Like this.

Like we say, yeah,
we want to feel better, but we're trying to do this

through the natural way that things are supposed to be.

Health and life flowing forward.

Open this space.

We want the type of craving, cue, craving, response, reward.

Remember that cycle we did yesterday was like,
I want to feel better.

You know, like you start craving the actual natural things.

I want to eat a natural food,

say it doesn't have all the oil, it doesn't have all the salt,
it doesn't have so much sugar.

It's not so overwhelming in some synthetic process,

like just something natural that came from the earth
like a single carrot.

Have you ever had a fresh carrot
where was like, you could just eat it

and you could just taste it and you're like, it's
just so wholesome and good, and you feel better.

It's like, this is not the type of thing where you think, wow,
look at the joy of eating a carrot, you know?

But like when you really bring it down
to these very simple levels

and you really think about how you feel when you eat it. Yeah.

Like I ate some just delicious pepper, you know,

some natural thing from the earth and apple.

You know, something an incredible, delicious thing to find.

Do you see that?

There's just joy in experiencing it.

We think, oh, I want joy from Skittles or something.

I like some candy bars.

Say, really, man is getting so much dopamine.

We say this has hijacked the system,
but do we start changing that?

Then you realize, oh,
but then we crash after that, that that reward

was temporary and fleeting
and that actually left us in a worse place.

See where we talked yesterday?
Whether that on the vine. Right.

We want like to diminish cycles like that

dial in to the things where we have been so thoughtful.

We've seen I want the real reward,
which is I want to be feeling great for this entire day.

I want the energy flowing. I don't want any crashes.

We start craving the actual things that will do that,
like a blueberry.

And I was like, never eat a skittle again
when you can have a blueberry, you know what I mean?

Oh man.

Response.

And then the reward that we actually get, this sort of thing.

This is how I want to live my life.

I want my days to be full of like positive energy.

Whereas like, I am eating the things that help
to support my energy throughout the entire day.

Never a crash.

I never want to experience that again.

Brain foggy where I can like, hardly even think.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, like walking through molasses,
you know what I mean?

Food choices that support that fasting.

Choices that support that.

I mean, like the energy, like when you train to do it,

you know, not dependent and constant intake.

So this is the type of experience that I want to be having.

Queen of Heaven says, yes, I am emotionally well.

My physical will hopefully be better.

That is looking toward the light.

I love your statement.

Yes, I'm so happy to hear that.

Start with the emotional wellness.

That's like the core of it, right?

If we are not emotionally well, that's just
it just flows right into every other part of our being.

Everything flows every way, right.

But we want to get that emotional space
in a good space to, hey, I'm good with myself here.

Take that positive energy
and help that to flow out into this physical space.

That is the way I would say to do it.

That is the natural flow of it, create this type of being.

This is what I have said so much
like what is our way of being?

This is such a better, way
to think of things, on a weight loss path.

Then, just like I've got a spreadsheet,
I'm dialing in, the calories out.

I'm trying to get to 16, but today it was 1750
because I had a thing, you know, and then it's like.

I want to stop reducing our human experience to numbers.

I'm tired of numbers, really.

To be honest, I just want to be in the world in a healthy way.

You know, this is what I want to help us all to do.

We sit in a space, we say, how do I find joy in this day?

Like a long lasting,

joyful, space in joy doesn't have to be like a pep rally.

Like we don't need pompoms and stuff, right? Just contentment.

That's even, like a space that's better

just to flow through a day, say, hey, I'm just like,
this is just good, you know?

It's even good enough.

You know, things used to be great.

Things don't even have to be exceptional.

Can they just be good enough?

Like, can we just flow through just like, everything? Okay.

I was like, that's good enough to me.

Here they end this little section.

When we let go of what is not right for us,

we create space to discover what is love. That.

However, doing so requires the tremendous courage

to put our pride aside

and see things for what they really are.

Love that.

I just love that. Put the pride aside. Absolutely.

That's what they were saying.

Like me saying our younger self had a certain way of being it.

And that is what brought us into our current state, right?

Pride would say that that was the right things.

That is why it's so hard to change,
because when we change, it kind of.

It could lead us into a space where it just leads us
to feel bad, to say I was like, oh, like we went into a space.

This wasn't the right we can dwell on.

This is why we have to come to peace with the past.

We have to just accept it. We can't change it.

No way to change it.

Like we can only learn from it and grow.

And we it is just a false to say that we are defined by it
and stuck in and in it.

We can release any judgment or burden from it,

and we just say, let's be new in this moment.

So good.

And new in this moment.

Flow down these natural paths.

These are the most powerful things.

Free processes save money even through fasting.

That's what is there.

The real benefit,
you know, take any money that you're saving from fasting.

Say, normally I'm spending money.

I'm buying eggs and toast and jam
and whatever for my breakfast, whatever it is.

Or I buy the cereal and or whatever. Okay.

But now we're not doing it. Okay.

Take that money and use that to upgrade

the health of what you are eating in the other meals.

That's why I say you want to focus, the resources
we want to consume.

Only the very most nutritious, healthiest products.

That is an investment. It is an investment to do it.

The very best investment that you could ever make,
including financially.

I think, to be honest, you get, so much benefit.

Like if you can avoid having to,

have some sort of illness,
like if there's a way to do it in life,

it's to maintain the health of the system,
in, in the highest way.

And they say then we don't have the medical bills, you know,
then we don't have the

the things like this is just a huge financial benefit.

If we are experiencing something like that,
we say we got a lot of medical bills

because chronic illness is causing a lot of cost.

Buying all the meds and all the appointments and the labs
and the things

say, okay, is there a path away from something like that?

If there is, it is the natural paths.

The natural paths, the way away from it.

So I want to dig down to the very deepest root
level of the metabolism.

I want to create a way of being that is completely separated
from that, where the health is flourishing.

Help!

Look, the blood pressure is normalizing cholesterol,

normalizing weight is normalizing blood sugar normalizing.

So everything is happening.

I was talking with the guy
we said a little bit yesterday about I said on the,

the stream, talking about how I've had people

with fatty liver disease get see it on the ultrasound.

Then after a year doing a fasting practice,

weight has come down and sucked the fat out of the liver.

Liver looks normal again.

And then the processes like that happening all over the body.

How incredible that is.

How much money would you pay for that?

You know what I mean?

Like if you have fatty liver disease,
you have to see a liver specialist.

They're saying you're at risk of having cirrhosis.

It would be life threatening. So like how profound.

So you tell me there's a space I can get my body in a space
where we can undo something like that.

Okay, we can undo that.

And a lot more things in a fasting space. This is.

We need to find. I need to find someone. Give me.

So I'm open to receiving.

What is the language that really resonates
and helps people to understand that,

that a fasting space is so much more
than, we have appreciated.

You know, it really did.

I think, you know, I was saying yesterday during that session,
I mean, that's not a fad, that's physiology.

Right?

I like that that, you know, when I was saying that, like,

that's my real human words, but I was like, that sounds like a

like an I phrase that's not a fad, that's physiology.

Like, I don't know, a lot of fads happening.

There's there's part of it where, like, intermittent fasting
became a thing, like it is out in society.

There's millions of views and things about it.

And like, like people get that. It's kind of a thing.

But so there is a part of it, I guess
if we're going to be super honest, there is a part of it

where it took off for people like certain people like hype
it and say, say that, and it's okay.

But like, let's just like weather whether that part of things
away because like, this is real physiology in the body.

The part of that is like, yeah, can you,
can you lose some weight, with intermittent fasting,

say, I just use the word fasting because what to me,
what is the most helpful for people is routines, right?

Routines are what, help people get in a groove

and a cycle
and to step forward in a process in the word intermittent.

What is that?

That doesn't add very much to me.

It just makes it confusing. Honestly, a lot of people.

What does that mean?

Intermittent is like,
I kind of just do it when I want or whatever.

I've just I've found that that word is just a distraction.

Personally.

A fasting based process of fasting based
routine doesn't have to be very intense, though.

What people call intermittent fasting.

I just say fasting within a day of some level,
maybe eating once or twice

and then opening up some food free space,
like when we take away the hype from it.

I've watched.

I've watched tons of YouTube videos,
try to understand like, oh, what is the discussion here?

What is that like?

And people are like,
oh, and people, people hit things very hard.

You know, to me, not a lot of a lot of hype.

I try to be anti hype.

You know, I'm like, let's just chill out and have a coffee
and sink in there with space and have some discussions here.

You know, people were having discussions like this
thousands of years ago.

Fasting.

We have
you know I did the talk the other day where we were looking

at, the study from the 60s in Philadelphia.

I've got another study I found from like 1918 in Canada

that I'm kind of putting together a talk on
maybe for next week or as like, oh, they were treating people,

you know, in the early 1900s,
and then you can walk this all the way back.

You know, people, in ancient Greece are doing

the same thing using fasting as a healing space.

So that's the part of things where it's like, this is not

any kind of hype, it's not anything new.

It's just actually, we forgot about it in our culture.

Just thought, oh, we're beyond anything like that.

You know, we're in this new era of technology
and we haven't like real medicine

now where you can just take medicines for every problem

is like, no, that, that there are certain parts of that
that are really good,

like antibiotics, for example, antibiotics
like is it's such a total miracle, right.

You got some infection in the body okay.

Now you take a pill.

All that really does
just bring the health like an antibiotic delivers.

You know, like a really miraculous thing.

Some side effects too, though, killing your microbiome.

So of course the real goal is to say
how do we not need something like that in the first place?

And the big picture is that if you have optimized
your metabolic health, you're very much less

likely to need an antibiotic in the first place
because you're optimizing your immune system, functioning

as like you're keeping that system in such prime condition

that the pathogen does not stand a chance to start with.

That's what you want.

So this is the real root level,
the fundamental place of health that really the whole health

care system should be based on, in my view,
which is how do we create so much health and flourishing

that we don't even need medicine like the the real medicine,

like the ultimate medicine would, would be,

the process that keeps you so healthy

that you don't need anything,
you know, to me, there's so many mirrors, parallels, analogies

between these space of fasting metaphorically
giving us part of that vision to realize, like,

I have everything I need in this space,
don't need anything else from that space of open and saying,

I don't need anything else in this space,
don't need to consume anything.

It's like health is arising in the body that is actually
creating the conditions that manifest that vision.

You know, by by practicing contentment in that space,

the self-reliance and strength of the body, like.

Actually helps to create the manifesting.

The strength out in life is like, no, really, we're good.

Really. We don't need anything.

We're just good. Right here in this space.

So do you see how that is profound?

Like, I just I want that deep kind of level of thinking

to be out in the health care system, like like I think

I think it's possible that the health care system
could be completely transformed through this type of thinking.

Not type of intermittent fasting like, oh, this is simple.

You just go through a thing here, make.

Really thinking into the physiology thing. All right.

When I say like oh, this is easy.

That's what I meant to say because it is simple
but not necessarily easy.

Right.

Not like, oh, you just make this one change.

You don't really have to be thoughtful.

It's just like this thing you do and it just works.

And it's just like, boom.

Like, no, look what we're doing in this space every day.

We like sitting here.

We're having deep conversations.

We're really working on it. Okay?

It's a practice.

It isn't just so simple as saying, oh, like,
you just do this like, oh,

this is something that is real and a process
that you have to get better at, and you open up the space

and you work on it and there's hills and valleys
and it's a, it's just a process of growth rate.

This is personal development.

This is learning and growing and
and shaping like the whole health experience.

And you know what we eat how we eat.

You know our relationship with food.

You know these things are very complex in a
you know, food addiction

as much as anything is like is very real.

Do I make this a mismatch?

Is real.

Absolutely. And powerful and difficult.

And so what we are trying to do, what I'm trying to do,
all of us together, come into this space.

We have tools.

Okay.

This is where I say the natural process.

How do we lose weight? Naturally, we have tools to do it.

You know, society in large measure, outside of the niche,

areas in, on YouTube

with a few channels that are throwing out,
you know, fasting related content.

There's like a world where people get fasting, right?

But most of the space in America.

Nowhere on the radar they think the tool kit is,
you just got an exercise and you got a diet, right?

Isn't that what most people think?

Most people think, well,
I got a diet which means calorie restrict

without fasting, a generally miserable process
for most people.

Calorie restriction without fasting.

If it works for you and it's not miserable for you, it's not.

I don't think it's damaging.

It's not that it's bad.

It can create conditions of metabolic slowing.

There are, studies that have looked at that,
that we can slow our metabolism,

but like a slow metabolism is still moving in.

If you're exercising enough, maybe that balance is it.

There's definitely people that can flow through that space.

I'd say the majority of people, I say

that type of space is better
at keeping someone from gaining weight

in the first place than it is from losing weight
once you have gained it in general.

That's been my observation,
but if it works for you, like do it, nobody has to do fasting.

Then we read that in here. Like, is this what we want?

Do I really want to be doing this?
If the answer is no, don't do it.

Nothing forced. This is the big thing.

The natural way of weight loss is is openness and flow.

It is not forcing something.

If we are forcing something very hard
to make something forced sustainable,

we're going to spend our whole life forcing
something is how we burn out most people.

In my experience, in the broad culture,

most people try to lose
weight, are trying to force it in some fashion.

They are pushing things beyond a level
that they are currently enjoying.

This is what I'm trying to show here
that the the real way of health, a sustainable,

natural way, is a flow state

that is moving toward love, light, beauty, joy, positivity.

That is the way of being.

That is just overflowing, you know, in energy.

It's like we want that kind of being
if you can dial in your space like that.

Whereas like, look what I'm doing here.

I'm doing something exciting, interesting, fun, new,

you know, as like I'm pushing myself a bit here and look, it's
okay, you know?

Okay.

Like,
if you are having a curious, joyful experience like that,

like you're going to be able to stick with that,
why would you stop it?

You know.

Yes, I do believe in fasting.

Queen of Heaven says, I know it works.

Yes, I know it works too.

And, because I have, I've sat over

time with, you know, I don't track these things,
but it's, I'm sure as thousands of people,

the first,
the first two years I was working with fasting, with people,

in my medical practice at the university,
I kept a spreadsheet and a secure, HIPAA secured server.

Okay. Where I tracked, tracked people.

But by the time I got over 400, I was like,
this is just insane.

I'm spending all this time maintaining this little case
series of how people are doing it.

It was just too much.

And then and then and that was before things
even really got so much bigger, you know,

before we got the medical weight management program up
and running at the university.

And, and then things really ramped.

And so, huge experience.

I've had sitting with people in a fasting space.

I've sat with people in every type of weight loss space.

I've worked with hundreds of people who've,
getting ready for and,

recovering from weight loss surgery,
like I said, prescribed thousands of weight

loss medications, worked with so many people.

And this is where it's at to me, after

the whole experience has been kind of a wild ride.

My own thing of like, just thinking about the the whole

arc of that experience in the,

you know, the mainstream of, weight loss

medicine and, it this is where it is at for me.

Simple fasting just so profound.

We've gotta find the space, find the words to help reimagine

fasting for this modern, world
in a way that resonates and connects.

You know, I do believe in it.

I believe in it.

I hope in a really grounded and thoughtful way
that is not hyping anything, but is just excited about it

and saying, Just exciting in the reality of it to like, say,

how do we dig into the space in a much more profound way?

Because the healing potential, the potential
to bring health to so many people,

literally millions of people, is very real.

And I feel like I have not,
have not captured the way that resonates yet.

But I want to.

I'm open to doing it.

Queen of Heaven says yes, I had surgery.

I did not deal with the why.

Thank you for sharing.

Thank you for sharing your experience with that.

That is the deep, the deep level.

And we have to get into that deepest level
for things to be really sustainable in the long term.

And, So glad to have you here.

Thank you for being here,
sharing your experience with us, sharing this space.

This this is the important work, you know, to, like,
find the why.

That's why I ask the deepest questions. Who am I?

What do I want?

Why have I made the decisions that I have?

How has that shaped things
and what is now ness in our in the present?

We can't change the past.

We learn from it and we say, hey, look where we are.

Everything that has happened
has brought us here to this moment.

And we can find gratitude for that.

I found a quote. Did I share it here the other day?

I don't know if I did, I think I put it in my personal,

personal thinking, quote list.

Andrea, I wrote it somewhere.

Andrea. Someone.

You can't. This is a paraphrase.

I guess you can't have love for yourself
while hating the experiences that shaped you.

I mean, that that really hit me. You know?

I've had a lot of dark and difficult experiences
that I have a lot of resentment for, as what I have

in my in my personal journaling, my personal work,
I came out of a lot of resentment about certain things.

That's like a weight.

We've talked about that like, what are the anchors?

What are the weights of things that are holding us
down, keeping us stuck in the past that we need to let go of

and that quote to me is like, really makes us think of it
like I've said on the channel

a lot in the past that were often the most brutal, harsh,
difficult with ourselves.

Do you feel that that's true.

Like, if you have a good friend that you're talking to or you
you aren't you kind and gracious to them

and give them every good, word and but,

but with yourself, you just heap on the judgment

and we hang on to all the anger and resentment
of all these things, and we end up living in the past.

Do you love yourself back?

See, this is way before everything on the weight loss
path, right?

This is digging into that emotional space.

To me, that's the core thing.

Like we said right at the beginning,
you said, hey, emotionally, are we good?

And then we flow that out into health.

So this quote is just telling us, like, do you love yourself?

Like maybe need to sit with that for a good while.

And if you love yourself, can't hate anything really,

I think, but certainly can't hate our own experiences.

Even if they are dark, they are giving contrast to the light.

Okay, so here we are. We're in this moment.

We say we have been through darkness.

We have difficult experiences.

We're trying to sink into the most profound space
where we're to the greatest extent

that healing is possible in this world.

Nothing magic, no magic wand. Right?

The closest in my experience, I think, in medicine
beside, you know, an antibiotic or something.

It's like, that's a miracle, right?

It's like the emotional equivalent of an antibiotic

that can vanquish a pathogen.

All right. When we are sitting in a space that is dark.

Where we have resentment,
where we're even hating things about ourselves from the past.

Okay.

The antibiotic that gets rid of that, that's love, Boom.

Obliterate that.

Love is what can obliterate that.

Give us the strength.

The courage to let go of the darkness.

Come to accept it. See it.

That is what happened in the past.

We can leave it there,
and we can realize that not only can stop holding us

down, can become a source of strength for us,

to propel us forward from the darkness

into the light moving in such an incredible,
positive direction

that is creating the space emotionally for health.

Like we're saying, open up the space.

Pushing back so that something new can flourish, right?

There's been darkness.

It's been the garden's been choked out with weeds.

But we're close.

Are pushing out that space, letting something

beautiful take root, something new to grow.

That's health we can't make health happen.

We're providing the conditions for it.

These are the natural
paths is my best articulation and thinking of it today.

Really nice to have you here with me.

Thank you for sharing this space.

Love, love the comments.

Share your ongoing thoughts in the comments.

And if you're coming through on the replay,
definitely share your, thoughts in the comments.

I will look forward to continuing the conversation with you
tomorrow.

Have a great day everybody.