Fasting Space

I say fast and be

at peace in the world.

That's my goal for the day.

It's my wish for you.

It's my wish for many people, actually.

That was my experience yesterday

had a fasting day yesterday,
which for me was a mad day.

Had dinner yesterday, flow

through the morning
with a beautiful coffee.

Flow through the afternoon
with some water.

We had a really gorgeous day here

in Wisconsin yesterday and

did not do much of

anything in the afternoon.

Take a break.

With the continuous glucose monitor.

That was my day.

Week two of my continuous glucose monitor.

Doing a lot of testing.

And, my reflection yesterday.

Fasting space,

watching the monitor.

I've gone.

I've watched the roller coaster.
Everything.

I've been eating
up and down and up and down.

Just really sinking in

yesterday
and thinking about the fasting space,

watching the energy flow

on the monitor, just seeing the body's

got this

very interesting experience
with some of the tests.

I got some ketone strips.

I was monitoring the ketones.

Just an interesting experience.

Have you ever done it?

Open up the fasting space,

see the physiology start to kick in.

Blood sugar comes down,

ketones start coming up.

Amazing to flow through that space.

Maybe you feel a little hunger.

I had a little hunger
for a little while in there,

but I sat out and I felt the breeze.

I watched the fall wind blowing

through the trees.

That low

autumn sun lighting everything

in this beautiful golden light.

And I said, you know,

I cannot exist here in a space like this.

Like with
everything that is going on in the world,

you think all the stress,
all the cares and concerns

I felt, you know what?

Here in this space, fasting is happening.

Blood sugar is stable,
energy is flowing in the body.

And then I'm watching it
flowing through the world.

In that moment.

You know,

here I am, my one small life.

I'm here in this place

and everything is okay.

Maybe you can tell yourself that today.

Here I am in my one life.

In this day, the one opportunity

we have to live this day.

Take a deep breath.

Start to feel the energy in the body.

Feel the energy in your mind,
in your being.

How are you doing with it?

Can you feel it floating in there

or is it feeling locked up?

Whatever the reality is?

Between those two spaces,

if you're open to it, a fasting

space is a place where you can explore

those feelings in the body.

If you're on a weight loss path,

if you're on a health journey

toward metabolic healing

meaning blood sugar, more stable, energy,

more stable, feeling better?

Okay, fasting a tool in that path.

It's a powerful tool that I have

greatly enjoyed in my life.

Type of thing that on any old day,

if I can sit down and grab a coffee.

I can sit down and reflect and say,
you know what?

The body is strong.

Whatever happens in this day here,
it's like kind of building

our relationship with the body,
a relationship with the metabolism.

Say, hey,
we are going to face the day here.

We have energy here.

It's like we're threading a needle

with the energy,
trying to balance a lot in our day.

Got a lot to do, a lot to think about.

We're trying to accomplish different
goals.

See, we are in the midst of a society

very difficult space, a lot of stress,
a lot of difficulty with food.

When you think about the food environment,
we have never been a food environment

like this in the history of the world
as far as we

know.

Absent some secret

industrial civilization long ago
that has been lost to history.

Right? Say, say, never say never.

But pretty unlikely
that we had gigantic factory

farms full of genetically modified
food and pesticides everywhere,

and put all into plastic packages
and filled with preservatives,

but then also colorings and advertising
to make them so attractive.

Radical amounts of

sugar, just manipulating our mind,

altering our relationships with food.

Right. So these are stressful things.

These are difficult spaces to navigate.

Fasting,

giving us an opportunity to say,
step out of all of that.

That's why I say be at peace in the world.

I study these things.

I look into it, of course.

I want to be the healthiest that I can be.

Do you ever feel this way?

It's like me and everything.

I read another thing to be stressed about,
another thing to have to worry about.

Oh, there's microplastics in this,
or there's phthalates over here,

or all these issues, like, we're trying
to bring health into the body.

So try to eat as healthy
as we can, take care of this body.

Here is a fasting space.

It's just another tool in the arsenal.

Of course we need to eat.

But then fasting,
bringing things into balance

when we have the idea
that we have to be eating all the time,

which is a message
that is communicated to us from culture.

It's a message that is often communicated

to us from people
who are trying to help us lose weight.

You know, lose weight, eat less,
but never stop.

Well, all of a sudden, this is creating
a lot of problems which seem

to be unappreciated, which is like,
we got to do a lot of planning.

We got to have a lot of options
in order to keep eating all the time.

Right?

It's like,
so it's like we're on a diet, so-called.

But then we're actually
eating all the time

and we have to do a lot of planning.

And this gets very complex.

And then every time that we are eating,
it brings in the possibility that

we're eating something that isn't so good,
some highly processed product.

And maybe it doesn't actually help us
as much as we think it does.

I just think about how many

people eating highly manufactured, factory

produced energy bars, weight loss bars,
you know, all kinds of powders

and things that God only knows
what has been done to make it.

Fasting space,

bringing a lot of simplicity
into these spaces.

When you just start to think about it,
say fast and be at peace in the world.

To me, it's like we're going to take
literally think of this.

We're going to take a lot off our plate,
right?

That's fasting.

Okay, the pun intended,

and take a lot off our plate

physically, meaning fasting,
just opening up the space.

If you're trying to lose weight,
we don't need all kinds of bars

and special products
and factory produce stuff.

We actually need nothing,
you know, for a period of time.

Nothing is good enough.

We've got energy in our
body right here, you know,

metaphorically taking the pressure off.

Do you feel that

don't have to fill the space

with all these things?

Period of nothing, period of eating.

See, then when we're eating, then
we can put the limited amount of energy

and time and money
that we have into something really nice,

you know, something that we're sure
is healthy, something that doesn't have

an ingredients list, you know, something
that doesn't even come in a package.

Yesterday before dinner,
I ate a single beautiful fresh carrot,

you know, that came
from a wonderful farmer that I know.

And I was like, man, this is so good.

There is something so simple.

And so I was thinking about this day.

Think of the day of fasting,

watching wind blowing through

a tree,
feeling energy flowing through the body,

being aware the hunger rise and fall

and and that that is okay.

Felt good.

And then period of eating something
as simple and beautiful as a carrot

is not all I had.

Then we had a stir fry
and it was beautiful.

Think about the simplicity

of what I am describing on a path.

I watch different people online,
different videos.

You know, everybody say, well, this is
the way everybody's got their perspective.

I suppose I am one of these people, right?

But I listen to all these people say,
oh, you need to eat this,

and you need to eat this,
and you have to have all of these

things lined up very complicated.

And you say, can it work?

You know, I was listening to some people
the other day.

They were saying, look, every diet works.

Why would you fast

when you can just keep eating
but have little bits and have, you know,

and like because it just.

Seems too complicated to me.

Seems like I don't want so many things
to think about.

I don't want to have to track
so many things.

The type of tracking I like is like,
how many times did we eat in a day?

Was it once or twice or three times?

You know, like that's

that's the kind of numbers that I like,

you know, weight loss space.

How many cups of coffee did I drink?

You know,

don't overdo it.

What is the number that helps me flow

through a fasting space
and just feel content?

You know,
if you overdo it on a coffee for me

personally, get a little a little jittery,
a little anxious, right?

But like, sometimes
just a little bit of coffee, a cup or two,

say, boy,
it just helps me settle into a space

I like to call
coffee contentment in a cup.

So we have just a little

bit of that and think in there
a space like, can it get any simpler?

Can I get any simpler in a space?

Can that be the framing?

Take a weight loss space
as something that was a struggle.

Turn it into a flow,
something that is adding

difficulty to a path,
to something that is releasing it.

This is what I think is profound
about a fasting space.

Nothing else to do,
nothing really to struggle for.

We can find peace through it.

To me, this is the path to sustainability
in a process.

The entire weight
loss industry is basically an anti

sustainability institution
because if something was sustainable,

if there's something that someone

could learn once and have it
served them for the rest of their life,

then the profit engine would die
and the billions would disappear.

And to me, that's a beautiful vision.

We did the session
last week on the Changing World order.

We went through the cycles through time.

Empires rise and fall.

Corporations are created
and then destroyed.

Right?

We go on a dietary process and we say,

but we lose our momentum
or we don't stick with it.

Then we need the next thing,

the next book,
the next supplement, the next membership.

Right.

And we say, I like the idea of fasting.

And being at peace with the world
means finding something much more stable

that we're trying to break out of cycles,
that everything

cycles, cycles of consumption

bring things down to a very,
very fundamental level.

A thing I love about fasting is free.

There's nothing to buy.

It's not even anything to do, right?

It's like, is doing nothing

doing something
or is it not doing something?

Now we're getting into a very fun
and fascinating little paradox.

Say, well, I'm fasting.

Am I doing something
or am I refraining from doing something?

We're just existing in the world
for a period of time.

Like, what a beautiful process to realize.

Nobody is what I like in this space.

Yesterday I was sitting there.

Nobody is profiting off of me right now.

Nobody is selling me anything.

Just sitting
here and being at peace in the world.

Energy is flowing out, ketones coming out.

I have some body fat here.

I want it to be released.

I'm allowing it to serve me.

Nothing else to do.

Just feel peace
flowing out of the body, peace

flowing into the body.

With the breath in and out again.

And see.

Just like the breath is in and out
and the energy we eat.

And then we release it, right?

This is the process,
eating and fasting space.

And you can do the same thing
for an exercise.

And I love exercise and start weaving

in this flow,
all these beautiful practices together.

How do they serve us?

The things that we do
and the things that we don't do?

How do we move through our day
and be healthy in a way

that is taking advantage of everything
that we know, everything that we are,

everything that we are thinking,
all of our experience.

Maybe for a

period of that time,

it means taking a walk, you know,
and just moving the body in a gentle way,

going through some stretching routine
of some kind.

Some gentle yoga practice.

Maybe it means something more intense.

Maybe it says, I'm going to open up
the engine a little bit, you know, and

test, test this human vehicle
that I have here.

You know, all these are beautiful things,
but never forced to do it.

Only as a joyful expression may be.

The biggest expression is in the midst
of a hustle culture.

That is just saying you have value
as long as you are doing things.

Here's
just a quiet, personal act of rebellion

that says actually no thank you.

Please, I am just fine right here.

Got everything I need in this moment

and then
actually to be okay with that ourselves

because we can feel
that judgment from culture.

But then how we're part of this culture.

How much of this is self-judgment?

Like,
are we okay with it actually ourselves?

How we start to build that loving,

compassionate mindset for ourselves,
making sure that everything we're doing

from a mindset of nourishing and building

ourselves,

taking care,

not trying to punish our way

to health, not bringing mindsets,

keeping negative cycles going.

Nothing like that.

When we start getting energy
flowing like that,

we see now we are starting to find a way

being at peace in the world.

To me, fasting.

One little slice of it if you can see it.

I say
if you're not seeing it, don't do it.

Eat some healthy food.

Find the most nutritious things you can.

Fasting as a mindset.

Just work on the mindset of it.

If you see,
I like the idea of it, but it's not.

I'm not feeling it in the body.

Just have a very,

very gentle mindset with it.

Fasting can be a very intense practice.

Hunger can be an extremely intense
emotion, right?

So many things wrapped into it.

It's a feeling in the body.

It's an emotion in our emotional being.

We can bring a lot of,

Intensity to that space.

Intensity can be fine in a space,

as long as the mindset

is one of openness and curiosity

never intensity
that is like punishing our way to health.

William Moore. Hello.

Thanks for saying hi.

I hope you are well today. How are you?

Nice to have you here.

Body mode.

Hello to you.

So nice to have you here as well.

Fasting space.

Lives.

Put it all in context.

Just watching these lives made, starting
and being on the first fast.

I started last week less difficult

and helped pace
with the rest of my daily routine.

Hey, that is very encouraging to me.

Thank you for sharing that.

This is exactly the type of thing
that I want for people.

From my vantage point here,
looking into the camera,

my thinking is like, can we create a space
that helps a lot of people to do that?

You know, fine.

If it helps, only a couple people do it.

I will just say from my personal
standpoint, it just helps me do it.

You know, I have found that
since I started doing it, that

my experience of getting in a good routine
that starts my day

in a positive, productive,
thoughtful, calm mindset is increased.

And so I really like doing it.

And I want that energy to flow out.

And so I'm happy that
you are having that experience.

I see, you know, in the big picture
we say try to be at peace in the world.

I see a lot of people
not at peace in the world.

And from one point of view,

it is very difficult
to find peace in the world.

And from another point of view it isn't.

And, the type of point of view
that I want to bring out

is like, let's lean into the point of view
where it isn't where we

can take a deep breath,

we can create a little

bubble for ourselves,
a little thought bubble where we realize

what we think matters.

It matters a lot.

And,

we can.

We have the thinking.

Last fall,
thinking fast and slow was explaining

a number of different experiments

that demonstrated we have a certain number
of basically mental slats

that can be filled,
and we can have only so many thoughts.

And there are a lot of people
and companies and a lot of money

vying for those slots.

And isn't this
what advertising is as we're trying

to get our product
loaded into these mental slots?

And so here fasting is giving us
an opportunity just to realize this,

to say, you know, if it's if I only have
so many cognitive slots

in my mind, don't
I want to clear those out

and be really thoughtful
about what goes into them?

And shouldn't
we be as, thoughtful as possible

at putting only the most positive
and supportive thoughts into those slots?

And so things that
I want to load into my own mind and things

that I would like to offer to you,
is that, you know,

I am a strong person and I have energy.

And even if I don't always feel that way,
which

maybe I don't,
but I say I'm going to give myself

every opportunity to encounter
it using every good practice I know.

Right?

And so I love this idea.

I think that the potential then

as we, do these things
collectively together, we say,

how do we collect all the best ideas,
the best thinking, the best knowledge,

create the most supportive environment
so that we can all step forward in health

together.

I know that I receive a lot of energy
flowing back from people

who are having a good experience
with it, so I really appreciate that.

This is like the mirror

or the analogy that I see
with the day yesterday.

Sit out and watch the wind
through the trees

and the light through the leaves,
and think about all the natural cycles,

and then sit there in that space

and feel energy flowing through the body.

And we can take another level to it
to say, hey, let's

Have a community aspect to fasting.

That's another thing
that I think is so interesting on it,

so much of the modern world.

And this is one of the things that I found
difficult as a primary care doctor

in, in health care is we have very
little community in health care.

You know, when we think

about the experiences that bring health,
you know, the thing that comes to my mind

that is the most like
it would be like a gym, right?

A gym, you can go, you can work out,
you can run into other people.

So here is kind of like a health practice
where there's some community element,

but we don't
really have a fasting community element.

Maybe historically in society
there have been spiritual communities.

You know, it's fascinating

to me that all around the world,
different cultures in their spiritual

traditions have had some sort
of fasting element in it.

I think people historically
have found value in coming together

in a practice that way,

but we don't have that in our society.

And you say, what would it be
like to have something like that?

That's another idea of fasting.

Space of the lives is to realize
I am not alone, you know, doing this.

You know, I think sometimes
not that there's anything wrong.

Of course, with being alone doing it,
but it can be a great encouragement to

say, oh, like.

Body mode is over there doing this.

And we know Pat might be overdoing it.

And if he was coming through right.

And that we can be a support
and encouragement,

I try to model
the experience that I'm having here.

So I say, oh, can people come in

and see it that.

Be a reciprocal experience?

I wanted to share.

I brought one quote for you.

From my favorite mini book.

I know I don't have other mini books.

I have one many books,
so it has to be my favorite.

But this tiny little book, open your Mind,
Open Your Life,

A little book of Eastern wisdom.

I especially love these quotes
that are one sentence

and this is, not attributed to anyone.

We'll attribute it to the author.

Tarot gold says, let go

of your attachment to the outcome.

Maybe even do this just to feel it.

Make a big fist, tighten it up,
and then maybe you're thinking

as you're holding that fist,
what is the stress that you have?

Like, what are the things that you need
to let go of.

Take a deep breath
and then actually just let it go,

you know?

Let go

of your attachment to the outcome
and be at peace in the world.

Okay?

When I think letting go,
I think physically letting go of stuff.

If we actually do do this,
do you find yourself

somewhere in your body tense
during the day you're holding the stress?

Here's a great reminder. Let it go.

It's going to help
to bring down the stress level.

This has big implications in the body,
right?

Hormonally, if we are stressed,
if we're amped up is like

because we're upset about something,
this is changing the hormonal state

in the body, stress hormones coming out,
adrenaline is there.

A cortisol is happening.

This is altering our insulin
in some fashion because

this is all one system.

This can potentiate.

Body fat.

Storage can make it more difficult
to release energy.

So think of this
when I'm seeing let go release

and what isn't a weight loss
process, right.

It's a we're trying to release energy.

Right.

So here is a very good practice
to just see

tangible fasting
something that is nothing.

The paradox.

We want to start to make some things
tangible and see it.

Just watch the hand open up, say,
I'm really going to be letting

go of some stuff, and then just think
what we're doing in a fasting space,

letting the body use the energy in it
so that energy can flow out.

And then the real part of this quote,
let go of your attachment to the outcome.

Really love that.

I feel like I was reading that last night.

And the thought was coming to me.

Maybe we'll dive back into some of it
tomorrow.

Atomic habits
keep stepping our way through that book,

but I did a session a while back.

Forget your weight loss goals

that was based on a reading
from Atomic Habits.

Forget your goal and then do this.

Instead,
it was about focusing on the process.

Like a goal is just one point in time.

A process is the type of thing
that builds and compounds.

And then there was the day
where we hit the goal and then we just

we carry on.

This is what I was saying before,

something very sustainable,
something when you have a goal and you hit

it, people tend to become complacent
and that's what finishes the cycle.

And then we get out of a thing.
We think, oh, we're done.

And then and then we're back where
we started and we round trip a thing.

Say, forget the goals,
that's this passage.

Let go of the outcome.

Focus more on

what is the way of

being, what is the way that I exist
in this world?

Who am I actually?

You know,

when any sort of lifestyle process,

how we move, what we think,

how we eat and how we don't eat,

these are ways of being in the world
when it becomes an identity.

What I try to say, it's
like we're trying to find the template.

What is the thing that really resonates?

What is the thing that feels good to say?

I want to keep something like this going.

To me, fasting has been that thing for,
you know, 12 years where it's like

I used to eat four times a day.

Then I learned I didn't have to do that.

Then I started bringing
in fasting elements into my life,

lost the weight that I never could do
with running and eating all the time.

So that's something
I want to keep in my life.

You know what I mean? This is what I want.

Do you encounter fasting as something

joyful and positive
that brings benefits that

you want to keep that in my life?

Okay. If you find it that way,

then it doesn't have to cycle.

That's what I want.

I don't want people within that space.

Okay, let's now let's my zoom in.

Micro level.

I cycle types of fasting all the time.
Okay.

I lean into a one meal day yesterday,

and sometimes I don't do
any type of fasting.

Still okay.

Fasting can be very flexible,
but bringing it into our life,

say as a concept, there's something
I'm hanging on to, right?

That's why I got my little fasting stone.

Just as a little tangible metaphor to
remind myself I'm hanging on to this one.

Lots of stuff we can let go of. Fasting.

The thing that is nothing.

I'm hanging on to it.

And I bring,

something
tangible to help me remember that

one. Cherry. No.

So nice to have you here.

How are you?

It's become joyful after some time.

It's really a routine now.

Hey, thank you for sharing that.

And that is for sure the case.

There's a barrier to entry into this
type of experience.

Guess you see,
if there are no barriers to entry

and is like the easiest,
then everybody would do it.

And I guess I wish it was the case
because I feel like,

you know, in a country where

80% of, you know, the adult

population is struggling with weight
in some way,

it's like, I wish I want the barriers
to be as low as possible.

That's another goal that I have here.

Create a community space where it is
supportive and encouraging,

where the mindset is so positive that
we can help as many people as possible

get through the barriers
to it, the physical barriers,

the mental and emotional barriers,
so that you can find a place

like you're experiencing,
where it can become a routine

and where the intensity of it can just
settle down into a space like this

where instead of feeling intense,
it feels like the goal.

I'm saying here
as a way to be at peace in the world,

something totally different,
you know, initial experience.

Whoa, this is different.

This is not what everybody else is doing.

Is this okay? Experience later.

Oh, this now I'm seeing it.

Now things are settled. Now this is okay.

Everything flowing.

This is a tool that is making life easier,
simpler, better,

less to do, less
to think about, less to worry about.

Less struggle, more flow.

That is the way, as far as I see it,

sometimes it's a 16 hour fast,
sometimes it's a day.

But I'm always conscious
of how I am feeling

if I need to eat this,
this is the balance.

Everything.

People get so locked
in, they get so rigid and dogmatic

and they think, well,
I'm a person that does.

OMG now you know, it's like,
because I did it one day,

then we're dialed in
and it's got to be the same every day,

and then people are back
to putting themselves in a tiny box.

And, you know, I was using that analogy
the other day.

Standard diets can feel so restrictive.

So they feel like I'm
in this tiny little box and it's like,

oh, I have to eat only these foods,
and I can't do that, and I have to eat it.

Just these times.

I say someone says fasting is restrictive

to me, most dietary processes
the most restrictive,

and to me, a fasting process, a way
to break out of restrictive processes.

But then you could
put yourself back into it.

I say, don't do that.

That's why I love the concept intuitive

fasting, listening to the body.

And then

so here's what is so interesting fasting.

You see, it's so simple.

We can define it

in one sentence, you know, just refraining
from eating for a period of time.

But then it is when we really open up
the space.

You see there is a lot of depth to it.

Say, listen to the body, okay?

You say, but sometimes the body tells me
I'm hungry and it's like I need to eat

like, well, and sometimes that's true
and sometimes it isn't.

And so fasting a way
to really get into some depth

and complexity in the body to say,
what really does the body need here?

What really does the hunger mean.

Because sometimes
when we've had a hunger experience

I had this yesterday, but then we watch it

and we see

that it will come and go
and then energy is increased.

That was my afternoon yesterday.

Usually many times eat a lunch

but then didn't.

Had some hunger and then didn't

had some energy and then more.

It's amazing.

And you know, because I'm doing this
testing for the videos.

Check out the video
if you haven't seen it.

I released it yesterday.

What?

A CGM taught an MD about losing weight,

and I went through some testing that I did
and let me know what you think of that.

I'm going to be working on
making a follow up to that.

More learning from the CGM.

I know I have learned a lot.

Already powerful experience.

And then just adding in the ketone monitoring to see in that fasting space just to

it's one thing to know it's there because,
you know, I've done a lot of fasting.

I know the ketones coming,
you know, the physiology.

But then to watch it, it does add

another level to it.

Let go of the.

Attachment to the outcome.

That's the quote.

Not that the outcome isn't important

or that we don't want outcomes,

but when you let go of your attachment

to it, all of a sudden
the pressure is gone to you.

See what I'm saying?

So much pressure on it.

We put pressure on ourselves,

and we have ideas and preconceived
notions of what should happen.

Many times in life, things
that we think should happen

do not happen
the way we think they should.

I've seen

some of that just in with a week
in my manager, I think, well,

I should know exactly what happens
because don't I understand physiology.

But then sometimes something different
happened a little bit and I'm like,

oh, see, we're learning something.

Say we let if we are so attached
to what we think should happen,

and then there's a discrepancy,
and then we can become angry

or upset about it or discouraged,

say, oh, I opened up some fasting space
and the scale didn't move.

You know, within a day or two
exactly how I want.

Now we're kind of see when a cycle.

Why didn't that now we're kind
of bringing some discouraging thoughts.

Right.

We try to let go of the outcome
as much as possible.

What is more important
than what some number says?

How am I feeling?

What is the experience?
Where is the energy?

Is this making life better?

Because I say a weight loss practice

much more like

a marathon than a sprint, right?

Most things in society
selling weight loss as a sprint.

We did the session the other day.

The guy was saying, it's like, don't do
168 fasting, do alternate daily fasting.

Why take two years to accomplish something
when you could do it in

six weeks?

Well, there's quite a few reasons,
of course

not the least of which is
if you're not a sprinter

and you go out and start sprinting like

you're gonna tear your hamstring, okay,

ease into it.

Train a little bit.

I love alternate daily fasting.

Powerful practice. Incredible.

Can you lose a lot of weight
in six weeks of alternate daily fasting?

Oh yes, oh yes you can. But is it intense?

Might a person who is not physically
and mentally

and emotionally prepared for it decide
that they hated and quit and never do it?

Of course that might happen.

Would not want that.

That's the value in the lower level.

The simple fasting, right?

How much benefit can we get from,

lower levels and then open up

the potential of exploring more intensity
from a stronger point later

when you are ready for it?

Was not expecting to see

a difference in blood
glucose from 190 to 123

just by adding coconut oil
five minutes before a real eye opener.

It sure was for me.

You know,

I ran the experiment because I was
pretty sure it would make an impact,

but I was, I was really amazed and
I've actually replicated it since then.

I was like, the same thing happened.

You know,
I've done it twice and, very fascinating.

I mean, I was surprised to see the blood

sugar
go up to 190 in this first place because,

it just seems like it should do that.

That's why I went and got an agency.

I'm like, I had to verify.

Am I like, am I really okay here?

Yeah, I'm
I a1 see is low like everything's okay.

Just you get those pure carbs.

That's that's fascinating. No added sugar.

You know, I didn't pour maple
sirup all over my, oatmeal or something.

And, so some of the tests
I'm going to do this week, I'm

psyching myself up to, I might eat,
like, a cinnamon roll or something.

I don't know, I try not to do that.

I might drink a soda
just to compare, like,

okay, we got a certain number of carbs
and then just calculate R9.

We got a certain
number of carbs flowing in.

Just think, how much difference does
it even make?

I mean, I'm curious, you know, I,
I would have I just typed into

some nutrition calculators yesterday
for the average person who drinks a soda

from a fasting state, like, what would you
expect the blood sugar to be?

And they were saying, well, on average
blood sugar should peak around 190.

I'm not.

They said 160, I said,
and that's what I was expecting.

Usually the teaching is that people
without any type of insulin resistance

is very hard
to get the blood sugar over 160.

And so when I seen 190, I'm like,
oh, it does.

It does make me wonder, is this
the most accurate thing in the world?

I don't know, you know,
but it is replicable because I've done it

multiple times in a row.

I showed you in that video, I was fasting
and we almost hit the same level

with the same oatmeal.

So it's at least internally consistent.

And I would say the rest of the data
that I've gathered,

you know, is pretty consistent
with, the A1.

So it seems pretty accurate.

So we'll see.

Thinking about

some other videos
that I could make, like winning breakfast.

You know, I think so
much of the breakfast food that we have,

you know, is so sugar and carb heavy.

And then

just looking at this like you're saying
just some coconut oil,

you know, it's good.

There's, you know, it's a little tasty.

It's not bad.

And then can that

slow down the digestive system?

This is what we're doing
with GLP ones, right?

We think about the intensity
of the experience we're having

with GLP ones, and the incredible amount
of money that is being,

spent on them.

Just look at how some food composition

naturally, because GLP one is
a natural hormone in the body.

It's part of our satiety mechanism
as part of how the digestive system works.

And so if we can hack into
some of this physiology

and say, can we slow down
some of that spike help to sustain

the energy that we are having longer,

make it easier to practice some fasting?

You know, in the in that day
I was so full and I did this

the another day to it's like, oh,
I eat some coconut oil.

So much more satiating,

say then I'm not even at all
hungry for lunch,

I can't remember,
did I leave it in the video?

I had a couple versions
or did I cut it out?

But I was saying.

If you

add, say, coconut
oil, a very calorie dense food, like

I probably have 250 calories of

energy
and a heaping tablespoon of coconut oil.

You say if you just add 250 calories
to your day and nothing changes,

you say, well, then
that isn't much of a weight loss trick.

But when you're
getting into the physiology

and you're seeing
if I was going to have this experience

whereas spike up the blood sugar so much,
but we add some calories here

and then it blunts that effect, smears
those calories out across,

you know, hours, many hours actually.

Then maybe we say I was going
to eat a meal, but then I don't have to.

And all of a sudden it's like plus
250 -500 and then we are much less.

And then even,
perhaps even more importantly,

the hormonal structure of the body
so differently.

Insulin was so high, but then it didn't
have to be and it stayed low.

So then our hunger experience
was so much less to me.

That's very interesting.
I had the same experience.

If you saw in the video, you know, I,

I ate a super keto launched
or some eggs in avocado.

You don't even see it move
the blood sugar monitor.

I had some bone broth.

And so basically is like from that lunch
then around to oatmeal,

you know, at least 24 hours of fasting
and then the meal on the other side of it,

you know, super keto meal,

you say this is not affecting
insulin or blood sugar in any way.

It's kind
of we're getting to a similar place.

Like here are two different ways.

You say, okay,
if the main barrier to either fasting

or weight loss and anything say we,
we need to eat less in some fashion.

And the barrier to that
is that we're feeling hungry.

It's like, well,

here's two pathways to get to a space
where the hormones are balanced.

Having carbs with fat ahead of time

that is triggering natural GOP one and

and these other intestinal enzymes
to slow down

and smear out that energy,
keep it stable, or flip it around.

Low carb and fasting,
getting us into the same sort of space,

probably even more powerfully,
because then we're getting the ketones

when we do the little coconut oil trick.

You know, we're not getting ketones,

we're just staying in the carb zone
the whole time, just fine.

But then the deeper

I like it as seeing it on the monitor,
the sugar lower, it's the deeper process.

Get down in there
into a deeper level in the body

than fascinating to me that in each place
hunger can be diminished.

Then we're getting into the real flow
state with it.

You know, I think
how many people in a dietary process

white knuckling
something, feeling stressed

and,

when it's like,
this is what I want to help people to see,

is that we can look at the physiology

that happens in the body,
and we can create experiences

where we can flow through things
without struggling.

And that could be in just an eating space
with certain meals.

Okay, so I don't not ready
for such intense fasting, okay.

Use a dietary path, keep the carbs
in a good space, balance the macros,

and time them in a way that helps you
to flow through it in a comfortable space.

And then the deeper process,
you know, use some fasting space

and then get those ketones to support you
naturally flow through it.

Either way,

yes, the egg,

avocado and broth really made me think

that's about how to eat
after a fasting spirit

to set up
moving back into another fasting period.

Yes, absolutely.

Instead of just having any meal.

Very powerful.

It is very powerful.

Like to see the numbers
puts it into perspective

at least
what is going on with the blood sugar.

And then by correlation you can know

what the insulin is doing. Right.

Because as the blood sugar is going up,
you know the body's going to respond

to that a little bit. Delayed
maybe 20 minutes.

That's why you see the spike go up and why
you see it come back down so quickly.

Because it's like we
the blood sugar is going up.

Sensors going off

takes about 20 minutes in the pancreas
for the pancreas to calculate.

However it does it
how much insulin it is going to need.

And then it starts releasing the insulin.

And then you see it come back down.

And so the sugars kind
of the surrogate marker for an insulin

level where someone's actual
absolute insulin level is,

of course, you'd have to get monitored in
a lab can be done.

But on a relative basis you can know
what is happening with your insulin.

And so like the game, like I try to do
in that video with the Pac-Man,

the game we're playing,
try to keep that in the most stable place.

Keep it in the safe zone.

Sugar in the safe zone on the monitor
means insulin staying in the safe zone.

And so what we eat between those spaces

is very

important and has great ability to,

influence how we feel between that space.

Like you're saying,
if we're trying to do an fasting space

and then we want to be eating again
and going to another fasting space,

if we load that up
with a lot of carbs, can.

I was amazed with, you know,
within four hours of eating the oatmeal

after the fasting space, then the ketones
are gone, like completely down to zero.

And and, you know,
then it takes a day to get them back.

And so, you know,
the experience of it is so interesting.

You know,
you can go by ketone strips, urine ketone

monitor strips at a Walgreens or CVS
and you can see it.

And it's just interesting to just track
as you feel the ketones coming on.

You know, I feel the hunger diminishing.

And so there is a real experience where

I just interpret
having those ketones coming out,

just feeling, oh, these here they are,
they're here to help me.

They're calming down the hunger.

You know,
they're providing the energy that I need.

And,

You can keep that going.

You know, you put the egg avocado meal
like I did in the video.

You can keep those ketones around.

And then when you're flowing back
into the fasting space.

Now, the barrier to getting in there.

Is so much less right.

So it can really change the experiences,
how we start flowing.

So pairing, you know, a fasting process

with a low carb sort of eating process.

Highly recommended.

That doesn't have to be like a full keto
carnivore

sort of thing,
although it could be for a season.

But, you know, I'm very,
much like balance.

I think there's probably vegetables,

one of the most wonderful things
that you can eat.

And so getting some good

fiber and nutrients in that regard
not going to kill the process either.

I like to make sometimes like an omelet
like I put in that video,

but then with like a wonderful salad
to pair with it so I can get some peppers

and carrots and greens
and all this wonderful stuff in it.

And then,
you know, I've done monitoring before.

You can keep the ketones around
eating things like that.

Maxie, honey, I fast for a toffee. Me too.

What an incredible thing to do.

I really do love it.

If you haven't seen,
I did a fun video over the summer.

Who explains autophagy
better? Me or my goat?

So I bought some goats this, summer.

Had them munching out at my parents
property

out in the country,
cleaning up all the nasty stuff.

And so I love that video.

And I love the analogy of goats
eating buckthorn

and nasty, thorny things and poison ivy.

This is like the analogy what is happening
in our body during the fasting space?

The brush piles
that dysfunctional proteins,

everything that is broken down
body will munch all that stuff up.

First.

There's a traditional,
I guess I would call it perspective.

Out in the medical thinking like,
oh, if we are fasting,

we are going to become weak and
we're going to break down all our muscle.

And,
you know, therefore we should never fast.

And, this is wrong in my view,
it is at least incomplete.

Okay.

If you fast, will you lose some amount
of muscle or protein especially? Yes.

Like the body has continual needs.

But if you go exercise and lift some
weights, will you break down some muscle?

Of course you will quite a lot.

But then the body uses this process
to strengthen

and build back into a more
powerful state.

This absolutely happens
in the fasting state.

The body is collecting
dysfunctional proteins,

waiting

for the fasting space
to run the autophagy processes.

And in that space, you see,

I talked to I've talked
to a lot of nutritionists about it.

Say, look,
we have these protein requirements.

I was like, okay, yes.

But when we stop eating
for a period of time,

we also have this protein in our body
that is waiting to be used.

And then we can break it

all up back into amino acids
and use the dysfunctional proteins

to recreate the proteins
that we actually need to do.

This is like an incredible process,
very efficient.

And so yes, we need protein,
but some of that can come internally.

And this is why fasting can be a cleansing
and rejuvenating practice,

especially when you pair it with exercise.

And this is the thing
that I really want for people.

Are you getting some resistance training?

You know, when you are fasting
either before it or after it,

maybe even during it if you are up for it,
if it feels good,

it's incredible that you can do it.

Have you noticed?

Okay, we have to use our body
in order to keep it strong, right?

And so

doing some resistance training is

providing the impetus, telling the body,
hey, we need protein.

We need to build these muscles.
This is important.

Okay. And I want everybody to be strong.

You pair a fasting space
giving me a process

with some sort of resistance training

as like now we're getting everything
flowing in the good direction.

We're getting the autophagy effect.

Clear out all the junk in the cells
that we don't need

and use them to build the musculature.

Keep us strong.

This is what helps us with the dual
mission.

Lean and strong.

Okay.

Lean and weak. No good.

Right? Don't want that.

Strong, but not lean, you say?

Well, that's fine.

You know, we want people to strong.

But isn't it the best
if we can bring the two together?

Leaner and stronger is the goal.

And to me, a fasting process
totally supports that.

Hey, thanks for sharing this change
my life.

Intermittent fasting.

Yes, I totally love it.

Change my life in a lot of ways.

I just think, really

a wonderful practice.

To me it is what I needed, right?

I spent years trying to lose weight
by running

at an incredible level,

and it was burning me out
and stressing me out.

Could not have maintained it
forever, right?

So it was like, definitely a gift to me

personally.

And then experiencing that.

One of the things, you know,

I became a doctor
because I wanted to be able to help people

and to help people be healthy, you know,
and one of the most discouraging parts

of my medical practice to get into it is
I felt like I didn't really

I wasn't really doing that.

I spent years after my medical education,
you know, I'm

working with thousands of people
in my medical practice,

and I'm my my life was just basically
like prescription, prescription.

I actually got carpal tunnel.

I was in occupational therapy
for over a year,

just training because on both sides,
because so many refills,

so much clicking in the computer system
that I got carpal tunnel from it then.

So I'm, I'm

ambidextrous, you know, with the mouse
I can mouse perfect on the left too,

because so much med refills
that I could barely use my right hand.

I, you know,
and then I started burn out the left.

So I go every other day
just all the refills.

I was like,
there has got to be a process in medicine

where we help people
to break out of this insane cycle.

That's what it felt like.

And then I never had it.

I spent years giving people advice.

You just got to eat less
and exercise more, try to eat healthy.

And it's like, yes, eating
healthy is good, okay?

But when I discovered
fasting as a process, everything changed

in my medical practice
because I tell people, I just tell people.

It's just a couple simple, true things.

Like I was saying, I'd be like, look,
I personally was running

70 miles a week and eating for meals
a day of these things.

I could never lose this weight, but like,
just look at what is personally happened.

I started opening up some fasting space
he just once or twice in a day,

and now I've lost all the weight
that I put on during my medical training.

This people find that interesting, right?

So I'm talking with patients about it.

I was like, look, you're on, you know,
two blood pressure medicines like

and you want to lose 30 pounds.

So like, what if you kind of do this
practice like I did here,

this is how I just, you know,
sell it to people not selling anything.

People aren't going to try it. Right.

This is why I was doing back 2015.

I started doing it and all of a sudden
my entire medical practice changed.

People's like I could, you know, try that,
start opening up some fasting space.

They'd be like, hey, my blood sugar.

You know,
my blood pressure is going down.

I was like, could we stop meds?

All of a sudden, my medical practice
started getting much more interesting.

Instead of every single time more

meds, more refills started prescribing.

As you can see,
you open up some fasting space,

many times less medication required.

Now I started to think, well,
this is like more about

why I started going into medicine
in the first place.

I was like,

we take someone who is struggling
in health, requiring medications

that also have side effects that can even
end up creating more medications.

In this nasty loop, I was like, oh,
fasting space, we just add a little bit.

I had hardly ever prescribed a medication
before I started

telling people about fasting.

I spent years telling people,
please get a gym membership, go run

more like you've got to do more
and please, you know, this and that, okay?

Barely move the needle
every once in a while, you know?

But all of a sudden fasting space,
anybody that comes in say,

I want to lose some weight here,
how do I do it?

I've tried all these things.

People with high blood pressure,
people with high blood sugar.

Look, here's the space.

I've told the story
many times about diabetes.

And I ended up that whole process.

Launched the entire grant funded study.

Check out my videos on deep dives
with doctor Z.

I tell you all about my study.

I think it's an it's
an incredible process. I don't know,

we think with

millions and

millions of people with type two diabetes,
it can almost feel inevitable

when you look at the data
in this country age 65 and over

50% pre-diabetic and 28%

with type two diabetes, you say, man,
this feels like a conveyor belt.

We're all getting carried along.
Can it ever stop?

All of a sudden
you start opening up some fasting space

like my study was on insulin use.

It doesn't matter how bad.

Even in type two diabetes, the worse
it is, the more dramatic the turnaround.

Because, you know, people in my study
on insulin for over ten years

and some people off
within weeks, actually.

And so the same thing
that happens in someone with type

two diabetes is just showing the power
of the metabolic effect.

Well, anybody can have that same effect.

And so that is the process that will keep
you from ever developing it.

You say we're sitting here in this space.

We say currently nearly 80%
of the population 65 and over

is having trouble with their blood sugar.

And you say, well, if you're in that zone,
here's something that can help you to go

the other direction.

And if you're younger than that, you say,
how do I keep myself

from ever
having to go through that process?

Oh, look, look,
look at what the fasting space is.

No energy is coming into the body.

Blood sugar.

Is there blood sugars? Energy.

It actually is your last meal.

You can just burn that up
and then it's gone.

And then there's no need for the insulin
and therefore

no need to drive the insulin resistance.

It's it's incredible.

Like it's a miracle, honestly.

Like if you're saying

like I don't use the word miracle lately,
okay, you use miracle in medicine.

It can bring in the idea like,
oh, are you selling snake oil?

I'm not really selling anything.

Okay?

I'm just talking to you
about physiology in the body.

We're sitting here in a space where we see
the large majority of our population

is developing metabolic diseases
that are leading, is actually killing

people and is like, you're telling me
that there's something that's free

that actually helps me
be at peace in the world?

It's like we can just do it

and actually feel better and more energy
that can actually reverse disease.

That can mean that I was taking drugs
and then I didn't have to like to me,

that's that's about as close to a miracle

as anything I've ever seen in medicine,
to be honest.

And the fact
that it is so widely applicable

that there's because there's no cost
means there's no barriers.

It's not like like
if the answer to metabolic dysfunction

our country was
you can only by the organic grass fed beef

and only wealthy people could like do it,

then it'd be hard to get excited about it.

But it's free, right?

Actually, the worse off
you are, like, the less money

you have on a relative basis,
the more it helps you

because it's like actually help
you save money.

If you're very wealthy,

what difference does it make
if you save a few dollars on food?

But like if you're trying to get by
and you say there's only junk food

because I'm living in a food desert
and the the natural grocery stores

on the other side of town is like,
hey, at least we can fast, right?

And then we, we get to the best food
when we can, and we use the money

that we're saving to buy
the best food is just so powerful.

Hey, all of this.

I break my fast with a bone broth.

Yeah, that's a great way to do it.

Because like I said in that video,
it's like fasting comfort food

and so it can feel very pleasant.

Keeping the carb super low,
keeps the ketones flowing is an incredible

weight loss.

So many different types
of dietary processes out there.

One person says, look,
the data is best for a mediterranean diet.

Fine.

You know, fasting is something that
can boost that up in a beautiful process.

Another person is a vegan,

another person is a carnivore,
or someone else likes keto.

Somebody else.

I don't want anything.
Here's just the foods I like.

Don't put me in a box.

You know, fasting is the type of thing
that can take any sort of dietary process

and boost it up into something,
much more functional.

Body thrives on eating meals.

Body thrives on fasting space.

This is what brings things into balance.

Body thrives on natural whole foods,
things that came from the earth

in a natural way,

not having all of their fiber
and nutrients sucked out,

and then blend it up into some biscuit,
and then sprayed with garbage

and put in a plastic thing
and sitting around,

you know, that is like a paradigm
that we've got to get away

from.

I was never taught
about fasting in medical school.

I never encountered fasting
as a functional path for health.

In my residency training.

I went to a great medical school,
University of Wisconsin, wonderful people,

a fantastic residency program
at the University of Wisconsin.

Very grateful for everybody there.

I don't want to criticize it in any way.

It's just not the conventional
mindset of medicine.

And it like I said, I

feel like fasting came to me as a gift
because I just realized it one day.

I don't know,
I don't know what is happening.

You know, if you want to get into a deeply
a spiritual place about why,

why are we here
and what is happening in the universe and,

and these sort of things, you know,
I don't know, okay.

But I'm just saying,
I was sitting in my office having an

experience as a doctor in medicine
that I wasn't completely happy with,

and I was getting burned out
of prescribing and prescribing medicines.

And I felt like there's got to be a way
to help people in a more profound way.

And then one day,
I think, is one of the first videos,

if you want to watch me three years ago,
tell the story more fresh.

Go to the very beginning of this channel.

The video is the first time I saw

fasting bring healing to somebody.

Person with the worst type two diabetes
I ever saw came in hundreds of units,

like 700 units of insulin that
they're giving them selves 50 years old.

And the doctor would not,
do the colonoscopy.

They needed a screening colonoscopy,
but they wouldn't do it.

They said, this insulin is so extreme.

We don't know what to do with it either.

Well, you know, because we hold insulin.

See, now
we're starting to get into the idea

that everybody in the medical system
already knows that fasting

is a powerful intervention
in the metabolism, because you can see it

when someone's taking synthetic insulin,
all of a sudden you you start fasting,

you've got to dial back the insulin
because it's it's too much.

You drop the blood sugar too low.

And so the response or the,
the classic thinking in the medical system

is never fast

because you got to keep taking the drug
because we're I told a story once.

I worked at a summer camp one summer, and
one of the guys had this stick shift car,

but I don't know how the transmission
worked or whatever,

but the reverse was broken
and so it couldn't shift.

In the reverse, it could only go forward.

So everywhere he had to

go, he, he had to like loop around
or you would get stuck, you know?

And to me, this is like the perfect
metaphor for our medical system.

It's like once you get a diagnosis,
you can never get it.

It stays on your chart forever.

Once you get on a drug,
you can never stop it.

Because like diseases
are just things that only get worse.

There's no such thing
as healing that can never happen, right?

And so everything is stuck
always in forward.

And so somebody
is on a certain dose of insulin.

It's like this.

The mindset is never fast because
we might have to cut back the doses.

And that's not what we do here, you know?

And I'm like, no, no no no no.

Like I've never felt good about that,
but I never really understood the way

to stop it.

And so, you know, the the beautiful day
that really did change my life.

I was working with this gentleman

and, and the

guy doctor was basically like,
we'll do the kernel copy.

He needs to do it.

But like,

you got to figure out what to do with this
insulin and it's going to be your fault

when it's all messed up
because because we don't know.

And so I was calling endocrinologist.
I was like, what would you do?

Nobody really knew.

I was trying to read everything
that I could about it.

And there's just not much written
about these extreme cases.

And so I said, you know what?

I just think, all things being equal,
the greater risk in the fasting space

is that,
the blood sugar is going to go to low.

And so let's cut the insulin back more.

And so we, we normally
we cut, long acting insulin in half.

I cut it down like 90%.

We cut almost all this guy's
insulin out relatively.

And now he was still
he still ended up getting like 70 units,

but from like 700 down
the 70 is such a huge cut.

And he went in for the colonoscopy
and still went hypoglycemic

and had to get a sugar infusion,
you know.

IV and bring the sugar back up.

And so he's coming back to see me
after that visit.

And then the the patient before that
that I saw was this really devout

Hindu woman who does a 36 hour fast
every Tuesday.

That's like
as part of her spiritual tradition.

And I had never met anybody like that.
I'm okay.

I just hadn't, you know, I,
I tell her I'm like, that sounds awful.

You know, I would not want to do that.

And she's like, no, it's very nice.

Like favorite day of the week.

She just she does like what we're seeing.

She's like, this is a day
where I feel at peace in the world.

Right.

And she has her whole routine with it.

And she's also 50.

She's an incredible health on no drugs,
you know, as like everything is great.

And so I go to this guy
who's on the most diabetic drugs

I've ever seen, a huge insulin doses,
like seven shots a day.

Like, what if you just did what she did?

What if you open up some fasting space
and then.

And I wasn't thinking
it would fix anything.

I was just thinking you'd have a holiday,
you know, like you just for one day

out of the week. You have a nice day
like she does, and would it be nice?

And then you can go back to everything
the next day he's like, oh, I'll try it.

But like what we saw within the first day,
it's like you

now, the next day he doesn't need
as much insulin and his hunger was less.

Insulin drives appetite to.

And so all of a sudden
everything starts unwinding.

Just incredible is this incredible I see.

And then by the next week you know
we're given like half the insulin.

And then it's, you know, a big drop.

And over six months
this guy ended up getting completely off

insulin by fasting a 36 hour fast
one day a week.

That's
what he did, six months off insulin.

And as I'm

watching that, I'm like,
oh, you got to be kidding me.

And that's that's
when I decided to start trying it.

That's
when I had personal benefit from it.

And I just, you know,
just try to share the gift.

You know what?

I've seen that healing
can actually come to people through it.

I wish I was better at communicating it.

You know, I don't know what else to do to
communicate it

in a bigger way, but like in

my mind, cannot comprehend
millions of people taking insulin

and the fact that the large
majority of them would not have to do it

if they could understand,
you know, some, some very basic things.

If anybody has friends and family
that, has type two diabetes of any kind,

especially taking insulin, look at the
links in the description doctor Z method.

That's where I put the whole process
that I use to help get people off insulin.

And I've got a number of wonderful people
in there.

We meet live every week.

I answer people's questions.
I got a course.

I help people to do it.

Yeah,

free.

This is a great point.

Things.

You know, we are here in a capital system.

I am not an economist
or philosopher of the economy.

Okay.

But, I, I perfectly well understand.

Okay.

The capital we don't
we don't have to get into some big debate

capitalism, of course,
creating great wealth for people.

But there are externalities to it.

One of the externalities is that

price equates value in everything in life,

and therefore things that are free
have no value, right?

Do you see what I'm saying?

Because a black buster drug costs
$1,300 a month,

it has enormous value in our society.

Fasting something that is free,
that can give you all of the benefits

with none of the side effects of this
as a free.

It's nothing like it's so easy to dismiss.

Do you see that
price does not actually equal value,

actually,
but it's very hard to see it therefore.

And because you can't even sell it,
there's like and we are in a consumption

culture and value comes from things
that you buy and consume,

that we are in a really difficult
space where we are trying to

help someone to see
that something that is free that you can't

actually buy,
actually might have the most value

is how I see it.

Thank you for sharing this thought.

To me that is the case for fasting,
not weight loss,

but a powerful metabolic intervention
allowing you to move off

the wall of health complications

from being overweight
and eating a bad diet.

I really like that.

I say it's a way of being in the world.

That's the way I like to phrase it.

And like we said in this reading,
let go of the outcome.

You know,
let go of your attachment to the outcome.

Find the way of being. Here's
a metabolic intervention.

It's going to help a lot of things
in the body if you, are in need of it.

Or at least it could. No guarantees.

Okay.

Let go your attachment to the outcome, but
just in open space and see what happens.

Probably something good.

Probably some resetting in body
mind, spirit can happen.

Something really beautiful.

Oh, yeah.

There you say it. Yeah.

Weight loss the secondary benefit.

Yeah.

I wish the doctor who diagnosed AFib,
sleep apnea, insulin,

EMU would have put me in touch
with a fasting method or resource.

Yeah,

I think it's important.

Personally, I think it's important
for these concepts to be out in the world.

I think it's important, you know,

there's a lot of good information
out there on YouTube.

There's also a lot of sensationalist,
confusing sort of things.

And,

I think there's,

there's a need for some more grounded,
thoughtful perspective

so that more medical providers
can really understand

how to use these methods
to powerfully help their patients.

And,

if anybody has good advice

to change
what I am doing or ways to do it to help

get that message out in
a better way, I'm all for it.

Yeah.

Thank you for sharing
this perspective about it not being taught

in medical school.

Why? Why leave something out?

People just don't know, I say.

I don't

I don't think that in my view at least,
you know,

I have so many wonderful teachers
at my medical school,

people that I still know
and keep in touch with and respect.

Incredibly thoughtful, compassionate,
intelligent people.

People don't know.

People don't see it.

You know, we have this, idea

in medicine and society
these days that we are scientific now.

And because we are scientific,
we basically know everything.

And there's
definitely a perspective in medicine

that if it isn't in a scientific study,
it doesn't have value,

and doesn't actually exist
as something that can be done for people.

I think that's a real problem.

That's one of the reasons I really,

put in a lot of effort to

put my practice in and get it published.

So I have links in my video on,

my study under the deep dives
with doctor Z,

got the link to my article in Wisconsin
Medical Journal so any doctor can read it.

I've got my whole exact protocol
that we used,

but,

it's a tiny observational study.

You know, we did it for $10,000
and a lot of volunteering,

and it's one tiny little

drop in the ocean.

Nobody reading it, you know what I mean?

So.

And I think what

what is actually true or what is more
the case is that that people are

a lot more tribal and cultural than than
they would like to believe.

And people say,
oh, we have science and medicine now, but

there is an enormous amount of conformity.

And we just basically,

There's huge momentum

to continue
doing what people have always done.

And there's a huge, huge amount of money

and an astronomical amount of pressure
not to change things

because so much money is flowing
and nobody wants that to stop.

So that's part of it.

The money flow is like there's

a quote somewhere as like the

the I cannot see
what the mind cannot conceive,

you know,

something like that.

And so if you've gone through your,
your whole education,

everything has been a certain way,

very hard

for people to see that
things could be different.

And I hope what this channel is,
I hope with this experience is,

is just to see that
things can be different.

They actually can be different
very quickly.

And that is true on a personal level.

You've if you've struggled
in a metabolic space with blood sugar,

weight, blood pressure, things, things
can be different relatively quickly.

No guarantees, no hype, no pressure. Okay.

I'd say once you like,
learn that and then unlearn it.

And then just open up the space and

and let go of attachment to the pressure
and dive in, you know.

But, that's the case.

I am not knowledgeable.

Be fully honest about this question.

Seamless, not something that I have spent
a lot of time with.

Seaweeds, kelp, and these things.

I eat some of that.

I think that's great. Simonsen. Happy to.

I'll look it up.

Yeah.

Thank you for this comment.

A physician once told me fasting is not
healthy and can lead to eating disorders.

I completely disagree.

Hey, I did a talk on this the other day.

Go to fasting, deep science,
deep dives with doctor Z.

What did I call that one?

Something about a thoughtful,

perspective on eating disorders.

I, On simple fasting.com.

If you go to articles.

I have an article that I wrote
on this topic

that I believe I titled A Thoughtful
Discussion of Disordered Eating.

And then this talk I did the other day.

Let's find it.

Maybe I didn't,

maybe I didn't put it on that playlist.

I, I have to fix this,

but I have a talk in here.

I'm going to find the.

That I did on

eating disorders.

I thought, really thoughtful.

I really do think it is.

I love this talk.

It might even be one of my favorite talks

because, you know, this is a

I've, I've spent a fair amount of time,

working with people with eating disorders,
which is really difficult,

space to be in.

And, so especially I have
had a lot of discussions over the years

with nutritionists who,

spent a lot of time
in an eating disorder space.

And you think about what anorexia is.

Someone with anorexia

didn't take them long to figure out
that fasting can help you lose weight,

but here it is being applied
in such an inappropriate and harmful way.

And so I have a lot of compassion

for nutritionists
who aren't too keen on fasting, who spend

most of their time working with people
with eating disorders, for example.

And,

I think this is

one of the barriers in medicine
into a fasting space.

People familiar?

Oh, this person is applying fasting now.

They are underweight.
And what a terrible space.

And nobody wants that
to be happening to anybody.

Okay, so we are taking a piece of advice

that is very important for a very,
very tiny

fraction of people.

And preventing the vast majority of people

where it is extremely helpful

from accessing it.

And I think that's very inappropriate.

What we need is to be thoughtful,

to help,

People be very thoughtful about it.

I, I am going to,

continue looking to find

this talk.

What is the longest I have practiced
fasting twice in my life?

I fasted for seven days, and,
these were incredible experiences.

This is not something that I counsel
people to do or encourage people to do.

Anybody
who is fasting for a long period of time,

I believe,
should have some medical monitoring,

checking of electrolytes and vitals
and these sort of things. And,

To me, an extended

period of fasting
is more of a personal calling.

It's more of a human experience.

It's something that I

before doing it the first time,
I didn't think I could ever possibly do.

It's something that I thought,
you know, only someone else could do.

You know, it's like the the process.

At that point, I had fasted
just for a whole day on a number of times.

And, you know,

I was getting pretty experienced with that

to go into the second day.

Probably the hungriest
I've ever been in my life.

I found it very intense.

And I got up on the third day.

The first time I tried to do that,
I said, if I feel anything like I felt

yesterday, I'm like, I am not doing this.

But then I got up,

had no hunger, and I flowed

through the rest of that experience
like day three, four, five, six,

no hunger, I exercised, I went to work,

I was working hospital medicine, so I was

living in the hospital

and going to work, seeing patients.

Nobody knew about it, you know,

and, I found it to be an incredible

experience.

And then,
I didn't do that again for a couple years.

And then a couple of years later,
I did it, one more time.

Now. It's been a couple of years
since then.

At that time, I had some weight to lose.

Now I'm pretty lean.

Now I don't want to do it.

So it's a tool.

It's an experience.

It's a space.

Yeah.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

You know,

we can get pushed into lots of different
mental, emotional spaces with food, right.

And, there's so much,

Pressure.

This is a big thing that I want to
get away from in the space.

To me, this is why I say
fasting is like freedom, right?

It is just stepping out of all that.

Fasting is a place, like we said earlier
in this session, that,

that you could also bring stress
and pressure to it.

So I never want people to do that.

Yeah.

Thank you.

This is this is many people's experience.

People think that hunger is a linear
process that only ever gets worse.

In reality, hunger is like a cycle
that can come and go and an incredibly,

a fasting process.

Is one of the things that can help
bring hunger into balance.

You're stuck in a cycle of hunger
always that can be hormonal.

That can be many things.

How do you break out of
it all of a sudden?

Fasting.

And then?

Hunger can diminish.

That's really the way

finding peace in the world.

Finding peace in the world
where hunger is not driving things,

where we are making our choices
because they are the best for us,

not because we are stuck
in some cycle of craving.

This has been a beautiful session.

Really nice to share this space with you.

I'm going to find this session
where I talked about eating disorders.

I will get it
put into this doctor's science section.

Why I'm not seeing it.

One of my favorite talks, because I review
some psychological research

that people did where they said,
or just showing that

there is no evidence,
no good evidence that,

talking to people about fasting

who need to lose weight drives
people into an eating disorder.

I think that is a myth.

There are people who should not fast,

and that is something that we need
to always be aware of.

And anyone who is I have an article
I think, you know, I got a video.

Every video I link here.

Reasons not to fast top reason
if you don't want to.

Okay, that solves almost every problem.

And then if you're malnourished
underweight, struggling

with an eating disorder is like we're
just taking all of that off the plate.

Wish you all the very best.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for the discussion
and the insights.

Wish you the best in this day.

I look forward to connecting tomorrow.

Be well everybody.