Fasting Space

Slowing down a little bit.

How does that sound to you?

If you take a moment,

take a deep breath.

Can you almost hear society shouting?

Don't do it.

Don't slow down.

Don't take a break.

Rest is for the weak.

Do more and do it faster.

You'll be happier.

It's like the siren song.

So much of that idea in the culture.

You got to see more.

Got to do more.

Gotta accomplish more.

Be more.

Bleed right over into our health space.

More.

Exercise more special foods.

More special diets.

More seminars, more videos.

Always more things.

And some of these things can be good.

Do all the exercises
that you feel called to do.

Spend all the time
cooking the delicious, healthy foods

that don't come from factories
as much as possible.

But you know what

happens when it's always more?

You feel the pace picking up.

You know, the thing that we get less of is

we get less space.

Here.

This is fast in space,
and we have plenty of space.

Plenty of space.

We're not in a rush.

We've got the time here to do something

really nice.

Say, why not just slow down a bit?

How about relaxing our way toward health?

There's something we could do
a little bit,

a little bit more of

relaxing our way toward wellness.

Opening up the space.

Let the thoughts settle a bit.

And what we see in a fasting space.

Body's got energy even in that space,

with nothing coming into it.

Very powerful space in the body.

Sometimes I feel it.

I can feel it on a vacation day.

Maybe you even feel it if you are retired.

This is just some call.

I'm picturing spaces here.

I want to move these ideas
into our eating space.

Because when we are rushing in

life, we can be rushing in our meals.

These things, it all blurs together.

Have you ever had a time like this?

I'm picturing
how many times I spent eating at my desk

while I was working eating in the car,
because we're in a hurry

to get somewhere.

When we are rushed,

when we are moving
through a day on autopilot,

when we are in this zone and we say
sometimes maybe it has to happen,

but let's at least do a debrief on it.

We're rushing through life.

We feel we've got so many things
we have to get in.

Can do some big picture thinking.

Is there a different way
of being even a different mindset to it?

Maybe food is the place
that can bring the different mindset,

because so often the things
what I'm seeing at it.

Oh, eating at the desk, eating at the car,
eating with the TV because it's like,

oh, we got to get that into, you know,
we feel, see, we develop

habits and patterns and routines
and then we can flow through them

without even thinking deeply about it

in a day.

Rushing through the food,

we don't even ask the question,
do I even really need it?

And we're certainly not practicing
mindfulness with it.

Say when I say slow down.

When we say rushing through food, man,
slow down when we're rushed.

In general,
isn't it generally a stressful time?

Maybe there are times where we say,
oh, it's exciting,

or maybe we're accomplishing
something of great value to us.

There's a season for everything,

but do a little check in is the rush.

If you are experiencing it now,
are you experiencing it

as a stressful state?

A chronic, stressful state?

A repeated condition of stress
is changing.

The hormonal architecture
that is happening

in the body.

This can have many,

many physiologic effects in the body

interacting with our systems
of how we feel.

Content.

A big thing that I want in our sessions.

How do we find a mental space of peace
and contentment, both in life

and in our relationship with food
and what we are eating?

A big way to build that relationship,

that contentment in the food space.

Slowing down.

Slowing down in our relationship
with food.

Maybe if that's the only change,

especially in a fasting space,
get some more time.

Open up a little more space in life.

Help this cycle to flow in reverse.

A little more space, a little less stress,
a little more bandwidth.

Help it to feed back
through a little less pressure.

A little deeper breath,

maybe a little more chance
to take some space to breathe.

It's how we get the whole cycle
of stress flowing backwards.

And if we get that flowing back around,
instead of a spiral of stress and rushing,

flowing through things,
a little more space coming back

around.

That can flow through our life

and come back into a space

where it's easier for us to.

Really sit with the food for a bit.

You know,

this is where we find
satisfaction with it.

I know this has been my experience.

Many people I've talked to
as we're bringing in deep

mindfulness practices
like this to our eating.

They say, man, I got to like,
really pay attention to what I'm eating.

I don't really like what I'm eating.

Maybe

gotta make some different choices

with the food and can that cycle forward?

I just think in a mindfulness space,
what it always tells me

when I'm really dialed
in, all the distractions are off.

I've cleared out a total space
for the food.

It's like, man,
I want this food to be good.

As in like, nourishing and healthy.

Doesn't mean
it has to take a long time to make.

Oftentimes the cleanest,

simplest ingredients.

Maybe just one thing.

You know,

a single apple, you know,

finding just joy in

such a simple thing
did not come from a factory.

That's what I say.

No ingredients list.

Have I've shared on the channel lately.

I'm doing my very best picking myself

back up through the fatigue of having

I'm disease infection

that I got somewhere this summer,

and so I've been trying to really dial in
on building some nutritious meals.

I made up a meal the other day.

If I had had more

sense or thought or energy,

I would have loved to have filmed it
and showed the making of it.

But basically, I just was reading
a list of ingredients or of foods

that are helpful in supporting people
recovering in this situation.

And so I just basically picked
a bunch of foods off the list

and made them into one concoction,
a little stir fry, which was.

Dicing up, mincing up some

fresh turmeric and ginger,
which I was the turmeric

especially
I was happy to find at our local.

Co-op.

Fresh garlic

and onions simmer at all in some olive oil

and then added in some freshly diced
lion's mane.

Mushroom and and then some chopped kale

with some salt and pepper
and made that into a beautiful.

It was small.

I was looking at the calculations.

It's just like 200 calories,
but so delicious,

so satisfying, you know.

I probably spent 15 minutes

chopping stuff up and cooking
that up is one of the most

beautiful meals
that I have had in so long.

Think a little bit in this section.

Think in your own life.

Think of the connection.

What is the connection that you experience
between the pace

that you have,
both in life and in eating?

And then what is it with the satisfaction
that you experience or don't experience?

Do you notice a correlation?

Can you build the correlation

especially in the way that we want it

planning for it?

What are the types of experiences
food experiences that we want to have,

and how do we shape those things
in our life around them

so that we can create
those sort of experiences, build

the sort of context that helps us to have

a balanced relationship with food,
where we're getting nutrition

into our body in amounts
that are serving us.

So that nutrition is one of the mechanisms

helping us deal with stress in life.

Very clear.

Right?

Stress in life can drive us to eat a huge

challenge we're trying to overcome.

But let's run that in reverse.

Let's use our nutrition process,
the healthiest food to drive back

as a coping mechanism
to help us put stress in its place.

Help us to be strong.

I love that.

And here in this thinking

that we're doing about the rush,
the rush that we experience

all around us from society,
can we use a pause?

That's what I want to think about today.

If we can't really slow down,
you say, doctor Z, I hear it.

Slow down. Okay.

But look,
I got to get the kids here and there,

and I've got this work to do
and this thing,

and I've got to do all of the things,
you know, whatever is on your list.

To me, a pause

is something
that we can adjust into any schedule.

Pause can even be seconds, whatever it is.

I loved the
the thinking we did the other day.

Even a single breath.

One deep breath, just a moment

before we get out

of the
car and head to the next thing you know

before we take the bite, before
we've even set the plate down.

Right.

Sit down.

Pause and even one breath so we can bring.

Just like everything that I try to do,
we can break these processes

down into very, very tiny

spaces.

I saw some,

I don't know, little meme or joke
the other day

that was about

wellness influencers.

And they were saying, man, like,
if you listen to every wellness influencer

and you did every little,
you know, thing in your day,

you made your special drink
and you did your yoga

and you practice mindfulness
and you did a whim Hof session

and you just went through all the things.

It's like you wouldn't be done
with your morning routine until like 3:00.

I was laughing about that.

That's why I say here the

wellness routines that I like, things
that I bring into my life.

We try to get a lot of synergistic effect
of fasting space in the morning,

fasting space anytime, clearing out things

to do right, and then

don't have to turn it into some long,

drawn out affair
if we can simply take a pause.

Remember these mindfulness things
even within a single

breath.

I know I take a single breath.

I feel just a little bit calmer.

Take a single breath before a meal.

Here is the sort of thing.

Maybe we are rushed.

Maybe we are in that moment.

But if we slow things down,
even in one breath

before we go, here's a mindfulness
that we're bringing into it.

When we slow down our eating,
even in any fashion,

you know, it really takes 15 to 20 minutes
for the satiety process.

Okay, satiety process meaning satiety,

just meaning the feeling of fullness,
the feeling of satisfaction.

It's controlled by hormones in the body.

And many different things influence that.

And these sort of
hormonal processes coming to

a feeling

of contentment in that space,
bringing that into balance.

It just doesn't happen instantly.

Maybe we take a couple bites

and then a breath again, bring a pause,

eating pause.

Giving all of the senses

a chance to give their input,
seeing the food coming in.

I just love doing that. See it?

I think it's important.

How does the body know we don't want to
rely on say, oh, just we're full

because we've we've reached our maximum
stretching out the stomach point.

That's not the best gauge.

I will say it's not the best gauge.

Let the sound of the food,
the smell of the food,

the taste of it, actually
seeing it coming in and give a pause

to really let
those things sink into body and mind.

Maybe you've got a tight timeline.

I say two breaths.

Be pretty ideal.

Maybe you say,
I've got I'm late for a meeting.

I've got to do this.

We don't have the time.

The structure is not ideal.

How about focusing on mindfulness
just for the first three bites?

You know what I mean?

Like there's a way to break it down
smaller.

Take three bites of practice
the mindfulness.

Slow that way down.

That's like really kickstarting
this system off and say, I got a meeting.

We took a breath.

We really sunk into the three bites.

And if you got a scarf, the rest of it
down and go, because we got it.

You know, I think there's even value
in there few moments.

Let that sink in.

Help it
to flow back around even a few moments.

To flow back around
into the rest of the day where it is

next, and then practice it on the day.

If you say, man, I'm not in a hectic day,
I don't have to get to the next thing.

Okay then it's beautiful.

Then we've got the space,
bring the little bits of it

into the stressful moments
when there's not much time.

Take the pause
and then if it's the weekend or if it's

whatever time it is, we find the space
where there isn't the pressure,

then we really sink into it.

Try to draw it out a little bit,
you know what I mean?

Don't rush through it.

And maybe what you find
when you really slow

it down in a meal.

Same sort of

pattern we can see in the rest of life.

Maybe I'm
okay with a little bit less in this space.

You know, I really love the idea.

Eating
until we can't fit anymore in or say

I am full, versus asking ourselves
continually the question, you know,

if I didn't take another bite here,
would I be okay?

That's a pretty beautiful space,
if you can find that.

Like, there's a difference,
you know, that difference

might make all the difference in a weight
loss process.

It might.

And then if we really want
to take a pause,

like to the maximum level,

which is what I would say
at least some time to do,

if you're planning on eating
like we really slow this down,

most people's experience.

Has this been your experience?

Hunger.

The big barrier to a fasting space?

Hunger we think of linearly?

I've been saying this week a lot.

We tend to think linearly most things
though in cycles.

You experience hunger,
that you can flow through it

and come out the other side
and come back into a balanced space.

Been bringing up the.

Other side of it.

Certain points
you can flow into a hunger space.

You say, no,
this is blowing out in a bad way.

This makes me more hungry.

I cannot have the mental space
or bandwidth

or practice yet to handle that.

Very key to be aware of that.

That is something that can be trained and
practiced and thoughtfully moved toward.

If you have a mindset to do it,
if you don't have a desire

to do it,
of course you never have to do it.

I always have the plan B, you know?

But if you're flowing through a space
most of the time, the human experience

people have,
you reach a hunger experience, it crests

and then it diminishes and it comes back
if you have the space for it.

The pause if we slow down.

Maybe you have a space where

you can ask the question, you know,
am I actually okay here even without it?

So many times
when we're rushed, we flow through it.

We would never ask the question.

Sometimes in a fasting space that can be
like the answer to a difficulty.

You say, actually,
if I stay busy, you know,

this actually is a distraction,
helps me flow through that space.

If I'm not looking at the food
and being so mindful,

it's like I can flow through
even without it.

Sometimes that just happens
because we're like totally overclocked.

I've had that a lot.

I went to this meeting and then that one
and a bonus meeting happened and,

you know, someone called

and it's like all of a sudden it's 3:00
and you're like, whoa, what happened?

And it's like, oh, I never ate lunch.
You know?

It's like, bonus easy fasting happened,
you know, without thinking about it.

You know, there's a path that can happen
sometimes in life.

The total inverse of that would be like

super mindfulness and deep dialing in.

I like the practice
of trying to feel the energy in the body.

You know,
like we have so much energy in the body.

Doesn't always feel that way.

Right?

Feel like the energy is
locked in there and trapped.

Eating
one way that energy comes into the body.

You know, when we are breaking down, food
that we ate is immediately

available as energy.

You know,
the body takes that and it's there.

So if we're feeling hungry,
we're also feeling in a space

like got this switch in the body.

It's like a legitimate it's
not like a light switch,

but we switch between metabolic processes.

We can be running off the stored energy
in our body, and we can be running off

food, energy and the

body

can't do both at once.

You know, we don't do both at once.

We're over in this eating mode.

Energy is running down.

We can feel that. You feel that.

And then you eat something
and you can feel it flow in.

It's easiest with a simple carb, right?

Like if you're running low on energy
and you hit a simple calm,

you know, that will be in the body.

I mean, within
seconds and you can feel it.

You can feel that.

And but
then you can feel the other side of it,

you know, you feel the insulin,
you see the blood sugar spike.

And then, you know, it's like you feel
the crashes on the other side,

not a stable situation

to create in the body, but it gives us

the concept that we can feel it.

And so I encourage, say if we can feel

that okay, let's start
feeling some other things in the body.

You know, it's like the feel.

Have you really felt it.

This would be like a next level.

You know, you say distraction of fine
first level.

You know, stay busy.

Fine.

You're trying to fasting, do some fasting.

But really next level
to like really get into it.

Maybe this is a space where you're in
saying to me, this is the type of thing.

If someone has kind of gotten
into a dietary process,

gotten into a fasting space,
now we're in this plateau sort of space.

Someone says it's very common.

See, we've kind of made a change.

We've gotten into a space here.

We're talking yesterday a plateau space,
much better than a rebound space,

which is what most people experience,
especially without fasting elements.

In my experience, fasting elements
bring people into a space.

Some people able to maintain that
for a long period of time

have slow, steady progress.

Other people reaching a level

and reaching a level,

especially if you can sit in it in a space
where you're feeling comfortable with it

and feeling content with
it is not a bad space.

It's pretty neutral space.

Pretty okay can feel frustrating,
but this type of thinking,

really slowing down and really
bringing the mindfulness into it is.

A process that can really help you unlock

that sort of space.

I got to find this quote.

I found a quote
the other day that this is making me

think of.

Dornbusch.

I don't know who this is.

Things take longer to happen
than you think they will,

and then they happen faster than you

thought they could.

I have experienced this pattern.

Many times.

I've experienced myself
personally in the weight loss space.

I put on a fair amount of weight
during my residency program.

I've discussed that.

So much stress, so little sleep,
so much mac and cheese and ice cream.

That was how I got through. And.

I spent a

couple
years on the other side of that and

doing extreme amounts of exercise.

Found it very difficult
trying to dial in the very best

dietary patterns that I knew at the time.

And, you know,

you went by like that for me, maybe three,
I don't know, something like that.

And then I hit the right seam.

Fasting was a big part of it for me.

I've told that story.

And and then it clicked.

Happy Thursday.

So nice to have you here.

Welcome.

Slowing down.

Yes a new skill to learn.

You would think it would be easy,
but it might be,

you know,
one of the most difficult things to do.

It's not the culture, it's not the vibe.

It's not.

It's not the feeling
you get from interacting

with almost anyone these days.

Is it, like,

very rare?

So important though.

It's just so important.

Yeah.

This pattern.

I'm thinking of a gentleman

at the university
I that was way up at the

front of the line on fasting.

I remember even in the first year
talking with them about,

you know, the interesting experiences
I was having helping people with diabetes.

They didn't have a type two diabetes.

But, you know, I would talk with people,
you know, we'd small chat.

How how are you doing? What are you up to?

I was like, oh, I'm doing this
interesting, you know, research

with different diabetes protocols.

I tell this person, you know,
I remember for a number of years and then,

you know, coming into year 2 or 3,

you know, they needed to lose weight.

They wanted to do it.

I share about the fasting process.

They just didn't click.

They'd kind of try it.
It didn't really click.

It didn't really do it.

And, and and that went on for years.

And every year that I was building out
these things, you know, saying,

I got a grant, I'm doing the research
program like, look at this case

series, here's publications
and interesting

things. And.

It might have been out toward year eight.

And it just things clicked for them

enough.

And then you come back a year later,
you know, I'd meet with person you later

and they'd lost 70 pounds over the year.

So I just do love that quote.

Things can take longer than you expect,

and then they can happen
faster than you ever thought possible.

This is why I encourage people

if you're in a comfortable place
in a plateau space.

This is like what I tell people
about the butterfly.

This is a cocoon sort of space.

There is a lot of stuff
happening in that space.

There really is.

So we slow things down.

We get into this really mindful space.

That's where I was going,

say level one, use the distraction
level one.

We're just trying to make it through it,
okay.

And level two bring a really

the mindset to it.

Is most people's

experiences
that when something happens quickly

hard to sustain very rare, very rare.

This is true in weight
loss is true in life.

You know, it's certainly

it's certainly true in business.

You know, as I'm seeing and reading
lots of books

and talking with people's experience.

And we'll see.

You know, puts me in a contemplative mood
about what I am doing.

I am not I am not experiencing.

Some sort of quick success
with my simple fasting business.

Definitely like a slow little process.

I am having the experience
in simple fasting

as the

humble leader of it
that I'm hopefully discussing with people.

You know,

we had that first phase
when I was in the university,

when I was connected

with thousands of people,
when patients were there's so much demand

within that system that I couldn't
possibly keep up with it and then say, oh,

this man, we're
having a fascinating experience here.

I'm floating along
trying to do it on my own out of

the system is like,
I'm kind of in this sort of phase.

Now we're floating along.

We're helping a few people
in a really nice way.

I think, like in my clinic,
you know, it's so ironic.

You know,

I go from the university where I was,
I was booked out like a year and a half,

and it is built up.

I've been thinking about this lately

to the space where I have now,
where I have huge capacity.

I don't I couldn't see as many people
as I was seeing there,

but I do have a great capacity
to see more people than I'm seeing now.

But the health system,
you know, it's it's it's all contained.

People are in these self-contained
little ecosystems of HMOs and things.

And so far I haven't really found,
I think, the language

that connects as deeply as I want.

But it's all okay.

This is what I'm saying here.

Just like all of our practices,
you know, can mirror each other

throughout life.

Even in this business sense,
I find contentment

in just this simple experience
that we are having.

This is mirroring what the type
of experience that I want people to have.

Take a deep breath to find

peace and contentment and gratitude

for these things right in that moment.

And then we're going to hit that point
where

things really unlock in a bigger way.

This is the pattern.

Which way does it
go on the screen for you?

This is my experience.

A lot of times
people go through something like that

and like this and down again.

And that's

that is a wonderful process.

Little slower than we would wish

sometimes is okay.

Looking at that deep mindfulness,

when we really slow down the meal space.

Think of it as a training program.

Think of it as a practice.

I'm picturing an experience right now.

You've even gone through the process.

Have you had this?

This would be this would be next level.

Okay. You've gone through the process.

You've cooked
the food, you're sitting in the space.

It's like still the mindfulness.

Now we said the pause.

Now we said the breath.

Now we have it just to give some space
in that moment to ask the question like,

oh, this is what I was trying to get into
in the mindset before

feeling the energy, you know,

feel the energy, say, okay,

energy can come in from this source,
feel the energy already in the body.

It's like before we've eat,
now we're in that space.

This is the difficult space,
that phase change between fasting space,

eating space.

We're trying to create balance
in the body,

trying to create flow of energy

when we keep the processed foods low,
when we keep the carbohydrates low,

we make the shift
between those systems easier.

In the perfect metabolic world,
the shift would be pretty seamless.

It would not feel unpleasant.

This would be like level ten.

But even in that moment,
even when the food is there,

we could still decide that actually

this is not the space for it right now.

We could still extend it.

We could even sit with it
and have gratitude for it,

but then also gratitude for the body
and really sink in and feel it.

Maybe you start to feel the phase change.

Maybe it's happening
as the hunger is peaking in the body

is getting the message.

Maybe not eating right
now, maybe engaging this

deeper energy level in the body

might need to start releasing energy
from the reserves.

And as we're feeling
the hunger wave coming back

down, coming into balance,
can you even feel the counter

wave in the body of the energy
being released, stored sugar

reserves in the liver, in the musculature
that are being used to run the system?

Body fat starting to be mobilized,
shifting us over

from the sugar system
into the ketone based system.

This is something that you can feel.

I'm not going to tell you that.

It's just all rainbow
unicorns as it feels good.

Okay,

on some

occasions though, it can feel good,
and I really do

want people to be able to have

that experience.

Doesn't have to feel good though.

A hunger wave I experience hunger,

I think, like anyone else right
is can feel very intense,

very uncomfortable, can feel like
this is a sensation that I want to stop,

you know,
and it is certainly a type of strength

to make it through a space like that.

Absolutely is.

Never forced.

But on the other side of it

and the goal for it, fasting space

feel like comfort coming into the body.

Actually, this would be the space
to flow through it.

This would be you're at that ten level.

The food's already there.

You're having a moment
just to open up the space to see

if an experience like this would happen.

If you get into the space,
you say, no, my body very clear, I am not.

I don't have the bandwidth for some

doctor Z, you know, suggested thing.

Totally fine.

But what if you got into the space
and you maybe you did it ten times,

and then one time you said,
you know what, I'm taking a breath here.

I'm feeling this energy here.

I think I might be okay.

What if you just kept
that pause going a bit?

What if you felt that hunger come down?

What if you felt the energy in the body
coming to replace it?

Right.
The meal would be bringing energy in.

When we're trying to lose weight,
we're trying to pick the lock.

Right?

Like we're seeing
we're trying to give spaces

to the body,
whether that's an exercise space,

whether it's just through our healthiest
meal choices.

Maybe it's an actual fasting space
where we're actually opening up the space,

stop the flow of energy into the body
that was going to be coming in,

and now we're just seeing it directly
instead of that energy powering the body.

Look, energy that has been locked inside.

So feel it releasing.

What if that feels good?

What if all of a sudden
the body is communicating the message?

Like, you know what, I think this is
really going to be okay here.

Like we are planning on eating,
but but look at it.

We can do this.
Like this is going to feel good.

Have you felt it
like where the stomach actually goes

from like kind of churning,
feeling hungry.

It's like ready to go,
but then it settles down

and it just really
that the openness just feels good.

And you're like,
oh man, this is like more space here.

Like this is going to call them down.

This is helping me take a deep breath,
but it's actually

bringing some peace
and contentment into the day.

This is what I would want
for anyone doing it.

This is really the only way I would.

I want people really long term
practicing fasting.

It's okay to have that edge
where you're like, I'm a human being.

I can do something difficult.

We can push through a space
if we have the mindset to do it.

Never force, never causing stress.

But like really the way I really want

and the way to build a fasting practice

is to start finding those spaces
where it's like win win.

It's like, okay,
we're opening up the fasting space, but

it's like
and we're also reducing the stress.

We're also feeling better, like

the energy is coming, like I feel it.

I'm not dragging around.

I'm not. It's like,
no, the energy is more, you know.

There's
like far from being, like hungrier.

Like, actually this needed a break.

Like, have you felt that way?

That's how I am right now.

Especially,
you know, I'm taking these antibiotics.

My whole digestive system
feels bad from that.

I'm going to do fasting.

And when

done with these antibiotics,
Sunday theater, hopefully I'm done.

And I'm going to.

Give the system a break.

You know, I got to keep eating
so I can take these nasty antibiotics.

I know it's going to feel good.

I'm personally going to take a fasting day
and just let the system reset.

I can't wait, like I just can't feel good.

That's how I want it for people
just to say, man.

And maybe it's not every time I don't do
something like that all the time,

I do a little bigger fasting space

when it serves me, when I feel like it.

Battle is long,

but having success again, much slower.

Learning patience as I learn to slow down.

Hey, I just love that.

Love that this is the thing.

Because look, this is a.

A long path, right?

Is life is a lot of space here yet.

And we just want something
that we can just stick

with years going to be happening
and just keep getting better.

This is what we want,
not the type of thing.

Like when you're building
a discipline like this that you've built

and you've really invested
the time into it,

this is not the type of thing
that you just fall off.

It's not the type of thing

that just disappears one day
and you have to keep searching for

something, or you say, oh, we went through
a difficult season and we did

fall off in some fashion.

It's like, look, we've got a history here.

This is like riding a bike.

It's not like you have
to reinvent the process every time

you got off the bike and we get back
on, you know,

this is the sort of idea

is what I really like.

Probably I should go back.

I want to do a series

bringing
in a lot of financial sort of analogies

because like, we think of investing
and compounding here.

But I love these analogies for health,
like investing in a process

like I'm describing does compound
and it does build, and it is an asset.

You know, it's an intangible asset,
but it is an asset that we build.

You know, just like any sort of skill,
you know, skills are assets

and you have to invest in anything
to do it.

And to me, this sort of process, investing

in the skill

of being able to align

our eating
and the frequency of our eating.

With what best serves

our body is an incredible asset.

It's an incredible asset.

I think we've gone through
this entire experience, you know,

in our society of the idea that we're all
like robots or clones or something.

And then we just got
stamped out of some process.

And therefore there is such a thing
as an De, you know, a recommended

daily allowance or just like
everybody should eat these number of meals

and these number of macros,
just like a standard thing, stamp it out.

But that's all totally wrong in my view.

People,

very different people
have vastly different metabolic needs.

And therefore.

Part of the health

process is discovering what is the optimal

thing for this human
being at this point in time.

And three meals a day, plus snacks

for every sort of person
to hit 1800 calories in a thing.

Can you know
this is not a thoughtful process.

The difference between

wanting to eat
and needing to eat is becoming more clear.

Hey, thank you for sharing that.

Yeah, this is an incredible

this is an incredible mindset space
just to dig into,

you know, and I just say into that space
a lot of grace into that space.

There's a lot of benefit
to both sides of that.

Nothing wrong with wanting to eat
and no judgment to it.

And and of course,

but just, you know, personally in a space

to really think
what is really happening here and why

and then and where is the balancing point,
of course,

between these two things and short
term and long term benefit?

And how do we practice in that space
and navigating it,

and what is really going to bring the most

peace and contentment, really, you know,

within a moment, within a day,
within a broader period of time?

I think that's such a key,
such a key space.

As I take
some of these thoughts into the day,

take them into the fasting space
of the pause.

Right.

Maybe it's even a few moments.

Take them into our eating space.

I think a lot of really good
thinking here, both on fasting and eating.

This is the big balance
that I want to bring to us.

Both of these things are essential.

We need the healthiest food.

We need the nutrition to power our life.

We need some amount of fasting space,
even if it's just overnight.

We can't be up all night.

Eating is not going to serve anybody.

And so we've had the idea in our society,

oh, fasting is just, you know,
from the period from dinner to breakfast.

Yes. What is the cost benefit analysis?

I do love that there's some more finance
that we need to bring in.

Always a cost benefit analysis.

Bring this thinking. Yes.

It's not just necessarily

always the space between dinner
and breakfast.

That space has not been generally
appreciated in our society.

Niche areas on
the internet have discovered

all there is benefit here
niche areas within the research community.

I've brought talks to
you and will bring many more

about the fascinating research
being done on fasting.

And like my friend was saying to me
the other day,

I feel you missed.

You really missed the hype wave.

Why didn't you get on YouTube,

you know, five years ago
when you really talked about it

and you should have done it
and now you missed it?

And I'm just like,
no, no, no, you don't understand.

Like it's like a little wave
popped off in society somewhere on fasting

because a couple people, like,
realized that this has benefit.

People have been practicing fasting
for thousands of years on this planet,

probably thousands
more than we comprehend.

For many different reasons.

And the idea that a fasting moment

happened on YouTube somewhere,
you know, is like or is happening.

This is not just trying to tell.

It's not something that I missed
or that anyone missed.

This is something that is
and it's something that has been a part of

the human experience
as as long as there's recorded history.

Basically,

it's something that is embedded
deep in the physiology

of every cell, and our body

has protocols.

It run in a fasting space that can bring
health and vitality to the body.

DNA repair enzymes, autophagy processes
that cellular clean the system.

Just incredible things
like you can know from first

principles, even philosophically,
as much as scientifically,

that the body wants us to be happening
on at least some frequency, though,

as it would not put these incredible
operations into that space.

And what we can see

from the research that is happening,
like the research community is building,

it is like geometrically building to study
this process.

We're at the very infancy,
in my view, of the impact

that a fasting process
can have on our society.

And the thing
that I want to bring to people

is that we don't have to wait, okay.

There is no like, oh, it's you know,
I think the research by, you know,

ten and 20 years,
you know, is going to be incredible.

But fasting also incredibly simple.

And you don't have to even know
very much about it at all to receive

benefit from it.

It is so simple that this is it's
even a barrier

to even talking about it.

You know,

I think, how can you start a YouTube
channel to talk about fasting

when all it is, is, say,

like I was going to be eating and then
I just didn't for a period of time?

You see, it is so simple
that you can describe it in one sentence,

yet it's so profound that it can touch
the health of every cell in the body.

It's like a paradox that I think

is really inspiring and beautiful.

And, you know,

the idea that we have here
don't rush through things.

Something like this, you say,
oh, like, so easy to overlook.

I think this is, you know,
when we're in the rush of our society,

the speed of everything that is happening,
you see, something is so simple,

like, who can even stop for one sentence
to say like,

actually, there's something very deep
and beautiful and profound here.

By opening up
some space is so easy to overlook.

This is why I say, like, let's slow down

and to actually say, like,
we just need to pause.

Like we need to do a real pause here
and not miss this.

You know, this is one of the key

health practices that,

you know, it's
been in pretty much every other society.

And as we head back, just a natural
part of the flow of life between seasons.

And, you know, I say, thankfully,
we are here in this Gilded Age

that is just almost unimaginable

abundance. And.

As we dig into the deep history and we
realize, oh, human beings have struggled,

you know, just to survive, you know,
and this is a survival we are inhabiting.

Survival machine is a human
being, has incredible energy systems.

And as we really get into that space
and just to see

how is this body built
and what is it trying to do here,

sink into a really profound space,

really dig into that mindset,

wanting and needing,
you know, thankfully,

and I hope, you know,
look deep into the history here.

I have a big heart.

I try to for people,
even in the midst of the society,

there are still many people
who do not have enough to eat.

And there's such massive inequality
and and people

who are truly hungry
still in this situation.

And this is a

something that when I am practicing
fasting that I think of, you know,

it. Can
we take some of these resources, help

our brothers and sisters in need?

And that is the sort of thing
that can also bring its own benefit

into our own life, as we're trying
to navigate the very difficult experience

of navigating hunger and energy balance
in the body between wants and needs.

And this is something that I think
can help us get into

a really thoughtful space

about what actually brings
health and life and vitality,

and then also comfort and contentment.

Slow down.

Don't rush,
at least for parts of the time.

Center the thinking.

Recognize hey, fasting space.

Very profound
and thank God it is simple, right?

I never say that
fasting space is like easy.

Doesn't have to be easy in order
to be beneficial, but it is simple.

It's like we can say it in a sentence.

We can bring even parts
of the concepts of it into our life

in the way they benefit
is an empowering process.

Recognizing there is more strength in the
body than has been commonly appreciated.

A lot of

companies that want to solve our problem
of feeling hungry want to convince us

that we are weak and fragile,
and if we do not purchase their products

and consume them frequently,
we're going to run out of energy.

We're going to be weak and unhealthy.

It's very clear to me
that fasting is the type of thing

that can build strength in the body.

Always balanced with the appropriate

nutrition, always balanced
with the appropriate mindset,

so that we are never developing
any sort of process of using

a fasting practice,
punishing ourselves in some fashion.

This is completely the opposite.

Fasting to me, an open space

voluntarily chosen
for the benefit of the body,

the mind, the spirit,
this whole connected being.

This is how people have used it
thoughtfully throughout history.

I don't think it's a coincidence
that spiritual traditions

have incorporated
fasting of all around the planet.

You know, people for thousands of years

put fasting into holidays, special things,

think Ramadan, think lent,
think all of these different things.

I think it's because human beings
across different cultures, across

vast periods of time.

Have found benefit from this practice
and have brought it in to their culture.

You know, it's
like how these things presumably develop.

So I say this is something
that we should bring into our culture.

I would like to see
we have a fasting culture, a culture

where people who would benefit from
this practice can access it

in a way that helps life
and health and vitality to flourish.

So hopefully this be a space
where we can all slow down together,

sink into this thinking.

So that it isn't just something abstract,

you know, not just a concept,
but something more tangible.

You know, fasting, pretty abstract.

It's nothing. Just like a
walk is nothing, right?

But a walk becomes tangible when we do it,

and fasting becomes tangible
when we do it.

And so,

to me, more

beneficial than a research study
that shows something

in particular, whatever the finding
is some great finding showing,

oh, we can help blood sugar and blood
pressure and weight to come into balance.

Better to me is the tangible space.

That's what I'm trying to do here.

See where
we can actually just come together.

A little community of people
actually do the practice.

It's like not just talking about it,

not just reading about it, but doing
what can be the hard work

of actually practicing it, you know,
because it's a

look at some of the comments that we have
had, right?

It's like,
oh, look, we're flowing through a space.

We're learning.

We're doing this together.

It can take time, you know, really can.

Just like compounding on our investments.

We say, man, like even some great return.

You know, I say 10% this year return.

And it's like, oh well we didn't like,

you know, it's still in the ballpark.

It's not like we tripled our assets,
you know, in some mean coin,

you know, like something
crazy, you know, say 10%. What

what good is that?

All right.

But man, you compound that.

But it takes some time to do that.

This is the sort of mindset,
but how ground it is

that we're not gambling
our life's resources

on a.

NFT. Remember NFTs, people buying

NFTs during Covid for millions of dollars,
little jpeg,

I mean, just nutty.

You know,

we're investing in something very,
very solid.

Very solid.

Beautiful to share this space with.

You really loved this space,
this conversation.

Slow down a bit.

Stop the rush.

Have a beautiful day.

I will look forward to being
back with you here tomorrow.